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Though the rules are a little ambiguous in places, judging from the spirit of them, they throw a spanner in the works for Chinese researchers who work with, or hope to work with, zero-day vulnerability brokers.
Not necessarily, should zero-day vulnerability brokers have the blessing of and be remote agents for the Chinese government.
I wonder if the above accurately enough translates into Chinese with the help of Google Translate or whether it is failed at that basic hurdle ……
Re: MRDA ….. but one cannot plausibly deny its veracity for surely such then is delusional.
I pick the first option, Ivan.. …bobbear
So, a bold admission that, bobbear, …… to be a fan of fake news. An admirable honesty indeed, although it is certainly not admirable in deed given the crazy problems such seeds and feeds need in order to grow its perverse and corrupt and subversive database/alternate virtual realities.
It’s just like one of those nasty little mutating coronaviruses which so easily can lay waste to progress made wherever it surfaces to be be universally presented and spread.
Is a vaccine for such possible or is it something one has to live with and suffer from?
If you bet on that being an AWEsome affair, Ken G, would you be quids in or would the UKGBNI MoD fail miserably again to grasp the lifelines that the private and/or pirate sectors can throw them to defend and save the public sector from the vast catalogues of mistakes and self-serving abominations its elite executive office servants afford themselves to try to defeat disruptive competition and targeting opposition alike.
Such would be a monumental failing starting right at the top of the Joint Chiefs of Staff percolating its bile right down through the ranks infecting and effecting everyone donning and servering and servicing military/paramilitary uniforms, for it is not as if they are not already some time ago made clearly enough aware of the predicament which haunts and taunts them, news of which even the Register and its commentards know, for its shenanigans are not yet classified COSMIC TS/SCI ……… AWEsome AIdDevelopments for Heavenly Palaces*
One does have to wonder at what they are playing at whenever everything around them turns so oft to nothing better than just so much useless dust as they abandon operation after operation with no gainful return and laudable adoration.
Is it the case that they are just not so very bright and are stuck into serving an established traditional rut following despicable leaders rather than leading with formidable followers?
Is there such a thing as a secure consumer router? …. vtcodger
No, vtcodger, there is not, nor even whenever routing and/or routeing information servering and servicing intelligence.
‘Tis an escapable fact of/for universal life.
Many routers are just less secure than others by simple virtue of who and/or what would be using them ….. and for what and/or for whom. To consider any of them failsafe secure is an arrogance displaying an ignorance born of hubris and a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the wild beast so obviously confronting one. And such is an exploitable vulnerability which some would tell you has no peer.
Meanwhile, after a deeper delving dive into something somewhere else ……
Biden said he and Vladimir Putin not only discussed the matter, their two countries are apparently going to try to coordinate some action to tackle the waves of extortionware infections, which seem to be mainly orchestrated by miscreants in Russia and typically avoid compromising computers configured to use the Russian language.
IT management software made by Kaseya was lately exploited to install REvil ransomware on as many as 1,500 businesses. The crew behind that software nasty is said to avoid targeting Russian organizations.
That suggests the mother tongue of the programmers is not Russian. If they use by default American English/English American to exploit opportunities and vulnerabilities what does that rather more reveal likely their virtually remote home base?
Wild Wacky Westerners attacking systems and blaming Jolly Roger Johnny Rotten Foreigners to try and avoid all responsibility and any accountability has been the whole essence and raison d’être of the Great Game since forever it was imagined crazy fun to play. Certainly their evident arrogance in thinking that nothing is impossible and the West can lead the ignorant East to a place of their choosing with a litany of alien interventions does not bode well for any fake and feeble denials of their being instrumental in such operational shenanigans to discredit surprisingly able misunderestimated opposition and wonderfully solvent competition.
You though might not see things that way today although one has to agree it is perfectly possible and therefore more likely probably true than not ‽ .
J’accuse. I Kid U Not.
And a little something for that joint committee meeting on the 16th to ponder on cooperating against/with ‽ . Politicians and diplomats and heads of state etc etc do love their little confabs, don’t they, when/where they can fabricate all manner of confidences for media presentation to universal audiences. Three cheers for the media … Hip Hip Hooray, Hip Hip Hooray, Hip Hip Hooray …… where would we all be without you.
Something to remember whenever nothing is as it ever seems with quantum at play on fields of dreams
The ones claiming Russia is innocent are delusional. When it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck and it sounds like a duck, it’s not a pig. …. Potemkine!
That’s as well as may be, … however, ….. it could be a drake, which is certainly different.
The problem is, and you can imagine it yourself if you put yourself in their position, what do you expect to happen if you poke an innocent bear with a prick from a sharpened blunt stick?
The worrisome thing, as always, is that the bankers control the people who control the military and advanced weaponry. ……. ikiru
That is one of the changes in the current process of being radically altered and transferred to A.N.Others in command and control of peoples controlling worrisome bankers with the always live threat of a paramilitary intervention with the use of advanced weaponry against those reluctant to move into new times or unfortunately and unwisely decided to dig in deeper in an established entrenched position in a space which has no place in a future intelligently designed to be better than the present and fundamentally different from the past ie … evolving and progressing at an increased revolutionary rate to avoid the holy trinity of dangers of petrification and stagnation and putrefaction attending to the Status Quo Services of Hubris and Stasis.
However, one can always expect and quite reasonably hope that may not ultimately be absolutely necessary if they are as clever as they think they are and would need to be if ever to be successfully doing God’s work
A RAT not hiding out of sight and mind risks a’morphing into a fancy brick
The simple abiding mistake made by most possibly nearly all who use a computer operating system is to assume and expect it is designed primarily to help you in your tasks and desires rather than deliver them, lock, stock and barrel, to the computer operating system.
However, once you realise that, you are better able to groom the system to their liking of your upcoming fare/ware. All it takes are a few exceptional tweaks/critical leading driver changes.
Re: Job Interviews are great intelligence gathering activities
Its a bit of a waste of time pitching products in these situations but on the other hand if I was working for a VC or investment bank interested in funding the company I could very quickly figure out if its worth putting money into. ….martinusher
If you can believe at least some of what you can read is available for comprehension and assimilation here, there would appear to be a newish kid on the National/International/Internetional Intelligence Community block intent on stealing everyone’s goodies away for themselves.
And they be perfectly placed to do all that which is discussed with practically no real effort needed from themselves.
Is that a surprise to y’all or are you going to admit that you fully expected it and even suspected it was happening since a long time ago and decided to be happy playing along with them and their ilk in the Great Game, continuing to feed them myriad countless seeds of information to allow and assist them to future satisfy your every need?
What do you think you can do about it if it offends you ….. apart from bugger all, that is?
Sleepy Joe obviously skipped all of the great intelligence gathering activities interviews ….
And here’s more very recent and prescient news of some other clueless bugger thinking to bolt stable doors after all the thoroughbred horses have bolted. Strewth, what a palaver.
Executive Order on Promoting Competition in the American Economy JULY 09,2021 • PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS
The American information technology sector has long been an engine of innovation and growth, but today a small number of dominant Internet platforms use their power to exclude market entrants, to extract monopoly profits, and to gather intimate personal information that they can exploit for their own advantage. …… https://cryptome.org/2021/07/Executive-Order-2021-0709.pdf
Regarding the latest moves marking “an escalation in a broader campaign to curb the growing power of internet titans” is Bloomberg being a blinkering hypocrite
Sleepy Joe obviously skipped all of the great intelligence gathering activities interviews ….
And here’s more very recent and prescient news of some other clueless bugger thinking to bolt stable doors after all the thoroughbred horses have bolted. Strewth, what a palaver.
Executive Order on Promoting Competition in the American Economy JULY 09,2021 • PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS
The American information technology sector has long been an engine of innovation and growth, but today a small number of dominant Internet platforms use their power to exclude market entrants, to extract monopoly profits, and to gather intimate personal information that they can exploit for their own advantage. …… https://cryptome.org/2021/07/Executive-Order-2021-0709.pdf
Re: APT Problematic ACTivity .. in Advancing Cyber Threat/Treat Territories/Virtual Field Team Terrain
And the ensued silence is golden, indicative as it is, of an empty echoing postmodern arsenal of effective stealthy weapons for either defence or AWEsome attack.
Such usually, quite understandably in a worldly war scenario, is a precedent for the fielding and wielding of a white ragged flag and agreement to non-conditional talks on the terms and conditions of surrender should one wish ideally to survive and again live to prosper rather than continue to perish and die a certain unpleasant death.
And some who would be exceptionally wise would realise that as one of the very best of outcomes, considering the madness and mayhem, havoc and despair that CHAOS and IDEntities* can both sow and reap and wreak in formerly all powerful, elite executive office systems of SCADA** Administration.
And, although it is oft said that forewarned if forearmed, to imagine there be weapons easily made available for delivery to escape from such fare/ware, is the feed of a folly from and to a field of frantic fools whenever their needs are oases of serene and supreme calm signed, sealed and delivered by A.N.Others likely forever to be practically unknown clad in cloaks of virtual invisibility supplying everything required and desired for its relatively anonymous autonomous metaphysicality.
* Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems and IntelAIgently Designed Entities [such as in Merlins with EMPowering Sterling Stirling Virtual Machine Engines, Mega MetaDataBase Physicians and AIMagicians]
** Supervisory Control and Analysis of Data Acquisition
Re: Jobs throwing money at IT are great intelligence gathering activities
Its a bit of a waste of time pitching products in these situations but on the other hand if I was working for a VC or investment bank interested in funding the company I could very quickly figure out if its worth putting money into. ….. martinusher
With particular regard to that specific aspect of the funding decision process, martinusher, those working with all due care and vigilant diligence in the Cyber Command and Remote Virtual Earthly Control Sector must make that commission extremely simple for the likes of such as may warrant being tarred with that very broad brush which paints one as an Executive Searching Headhunter, as the hunted betatest and exhaustively experiment with their wares for sharing in plain sight of all out in the Fields of Ultimate Endeavour and Immaculate Dream …. which can be seen and experienced as Just Reward from/for a Heavenly Task Master.
Find that on your travels and how can one justify not putting money into it/throwing money at it? 🙂
What if ‽ . Do you want to practise/try out any number of dummy runs with such a resourceful force ‽ .
It would be more interesting if the probe or rover was artificially intelligent, thus capable of communicating with humans directly. Tough believed that any alien probe sent expressly for long-distance exploration would likely be capable of learning from, and even communicating with, a race it encountered.
“The probe has presumably already monitored our radio and television broadcasts, learned at least one of our languages, and learned about our culture and history,” he wrote.
That certainly would be convenient and fascinating! While it’s hard to hypothesize on what exactly an intelligent alien probe might tell us, Tough has a good idea about how we should act around it: show respect, avoid violence, speak and act truthfully, and deal with it fairly and honestly.
He also thought that any communication should be attempted with international scientific cooperation as well as openness to the public, aspirations perhaps as unlikely as an alien probe visiting Earth in the first place!
Unlikely situations whenever you can be Minded to DeepThink are much more prevalent than was ever before imagined realisable, but it is not as if you have not been prior advised and there have not been cogent notifications with the likes of the following brace just a couple to ponder on and wonder at …….
No one would have believed In the last years of the nineteenth century That human affairs were being watched From the timeless worlds of space No one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinized As someone with a microscope studies creatures That swarm and multiply in a drop of water Few men even considered the possibility of life on other planets And yet, across the gulf of space Minds immeasurably superior to ours Regarded this Earth with envious eyes And slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us “The chances of anything coming from Mars Are a million to one” he said “The chances of anything coming from Mars Are a million to one, but still they come!” “Yes, the chances of anything coming from Mars Are a million to one” he said “The chances of anything coming from Mars Are a million to one, but still they come!” ……. Jeff Wayne – The Eve of the War
How interested and effected second and third parties deal with the force of unlikely orderly source disturbances is indicative of their current levels and states of available intelligence ….. or otherwise as reflected in the lack of any being presented and exercised.
APT Problematic ACTivity .. in Advancing Cyber Threat/Treat Territories/Virtual Field Team Terrain
I can’t remember which tech company it was, but just to prove a point one of them included a clause along the lines of “you give X_COMPANY the right to use your soul as it sees fit” in the license blindness section of their EULA. A lot of people still ticked the box, and it was several months before a newspaper caught on. ……. My-Handle
My-Handle, you might like to realise, whilst those in the virtual frame for positive practical identification and rightly terrifying attention scamper and scurry to no safe and secure provisional hiding place and sanctuary for immunity and impunity of action, that there do be a delusional self chosen few stylised as members of a relatively small global elite doing God’s work, who presume and assume to enjoy and employ and exploit the same supposition and presumptive permission as was scripted for X_COMPANY ….. you give X_COMPANY the right to use your soul as it sees fit
However, the Abiding Persistent Troubling Problem is they are in no way ready, fit and able or enabled to use such largesse ….. and the cost of their failures in attempts to wield such powers are intelligently designed almighty crippling and catastrophically devastating to them first and foremost with a fervour that does sweet justice proud and which exempts and protects all others from the just exceptional desserts of their perverse and subversive labours.
Now, tell us all here that is not all perfectly fair nor right and there will be frenzies of laudable disagreement capable of manufacturing the most decisive of future fights.
That’s encouraging …. for such is designed to allow them, as it does, to jump on the bandwagon in the vanguard of a promising development or dive right out of the way and bury themselves deep underground and as far away from incoming missiles and missives as is made possible …… destined to be confined and treated as mere spectators to the feats unfolding above.
That binary choice has only the one fabulously correct and engaging decision.
Is not the Great Game to Energise and/or Weaponise IT Almightily, herman , rather than Taunt Progresses and Processes already Safe and Securely Home Made ?
What do you think of ITs AI Developments so far ‽ .
Current par for the present course of future event horizons
when a London-based startup offered to pay him to take job interviews with no intention of accepting any offers.
Excuse me …. but that is standard default fare religiously copied by all those government RFI [Requests for Information] which dangle the carrot of a gazillion dollar/multi million pound sterling contract before one’s eyes.
The secret to unparalleled success in one’s ambition to server uniquely and obliquely the proprietary intellectual property sought and offered, is to feed a few free crumbs which prove far too costly to ignore and deny further stealthy engagement with for a bigger slice of the cakes baked with options to exercise on others planned for future proving and baking.
One thing in such a situation is absolutely certain ….. no home team engagement in such a disruptive constructive competition has the opposition advised and credited with the possibility of prime primary use activity.
“an expanding exercise of non-Western ethical guidelines that both broaden the scope of experimentation and provide justificatory bases for China’s intellectual property laws.”
Those guidelines would be an interesting read, gentlemen [Timothy J. Demy, James Giordano and Gina Granados Palmer]. Would you care to share them so that all supporting National Defense can avail themselves of such as an exotic erotic Eastern advantage.
“Increasing capabilities in AI are such that multi-domain, multi-dimensional and multi-national factors of competitive disposition and exercise of power can be forecasted, and inductive investments in influential domains of capability and power can be engaged and exploited to achieve strategically latent power longevity.”
Quite so, however, increasing capabilities in AI are an known unknown force and source the specific power of which cannot be accurately forecast, other than it is bound to be disruptive and creative with never any degree of certainty or continuity in a particular direction of future travel, and to think that either impossible or improbable and unlikely, will extraordinarily render one stuck in any number of deep and dark ruts to repeat past follies again and again, albeit in a different vein and against myriad phantom new foe of your own imaginative creation ….. and that has one catastrophically disadvantaged against any Great Game Players mindful and cognizant of the fact.
Increasing AI capabilities are Greater IntelAIgent Game Changer, and for SMARTR Players, a devilishly good, heavenly sent opportunity to engage with in making a quantum leaping difference which impacts directly on the nature of future realities/upcoming events for mass multi-media MMORPG hosting.
I Kid U Not.
“The views and opinions expressed in this essay are the authors’ and do not necessarily reflect those of the Defense Department, U.S. Naval War College, and/or the organizations and institutions funding the authors’ work.”
Methinks ideally, in order to render an internetional advantage, they should be reflective of those of the Defense Department, U.S. Naval War College, and/or the organizations and institutions funding the authors’ work.
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License terms and conditions are akin to bracelets and baubles and handcuffs restricting free movement and further open discussion and random and/or rogue and/or renegade rapid engagement of novel vulnerabilities subsequently discovered as inequitable and designedly self-serving rather than self-servicing.
Well, they are in secret circles, that’s for sure, surely ‽ . But as Simon says, who bothers even reading them before clicking on a Yes, that’s perfectly ok today box.
Proceed with due care and rapt attention out there for there be gremlins and daemons/goblins and almighty remote access trojans on the loose and at their creative work. peaceful rest and immaculate play practically everywhere and virtually anywhere too.
Who would deny that is an AWEsome opportunity for some folk ….. who both know what they are doing and how to do it with IT Command and Control and what needs to be done. Default on any of those requirements and failure is guaranteed … swifter than a speeding bullet 🙂
If that be their thinking, in this crazy remote internetworking age, are their clients negligently servered with the most delinquent of secret and confidential security protections …… and the chambers, 4 New Square, run the risk of being successfully sued by those aforementioned clients whose secrets and confidences they have lost to unknown others ….. and thus be their woes significantly compounded and highlighted ……. a double whammy of outrageous misfortune.
And does Mrs Justice Steyn actually believe in these new leaky informative internetional times her going through the motions and issuing a court injunction against anonymous/Person or Persons Unknown has real merit as opposed to being recognised as a desperate act in defence of the indefensible and support of the inequitable? Is that Hubris I see before me, Yorick?
The times they are a’changing and many more things than yet realised have already fundamentally and comprehensively been changed but that’s perfectly normal and fully to be expected in both the spaces of radical evolutionary and/or rapid revolutionary progress.
Re: “it’s in the implementation where things start to get very sticky”
I have to wonder how quantum ‘anything’ can reliably be implemented without some form of entanglement, especially entanglement that can be established at a distance. Entanglement would solve a LOT of problems, but it may ALSO be the most secure comms method of all. …. bombastic bob
Methinks entanglement is both vital and essentially virtually achieved to be universally practical, bombastic bob, and I would agree entanglement would solve a LOT of problems, and for now, …. because who knows what other delights the future will bring, …. be the most secure comms method of all.
Some would tell you hardware plays only a minor supporting role being as how quantum communications is a proprietary intellectual property exchange/hearts and minds meld which does make physical interference practically impossible.
A return to the Star Chamber? Exactly! We have among us those who strongly favour a return of the divine right of… themselves. ….. Tom Welsh July 6, 2021 at 21:48
Here’s news of more evidence of that abomination and decidedly subversive action, TW. Aren’t lawyers and barristers supposed to be smart? What’s wrong with them nowadays? Have a gaggle of them effectively been bought to do the perverse bidding of anonymous others?
If that be their thinking, in this crazy remote internetworking age, are their clients negligently servered with the most delinquent of secret and confidential security protections …… and the chambers, 4 New Square, run the risk of being successfully sued by those aforementioned clients whose secrets and confidences they have lost to unknown others ….. and thus be their woes significantly compounded and highlighted ……. a double whammy of outrageous misfortune.
And does Mrs Justice Steyn actually believe in these new leaky informative internetional times her going through the motions and issuing a court injunction against anonymous/Person or Persons Unknown has real merit as opposed to being recognised as a desperate act in defence of the indefensible and support of the inequitable? Is that Hubris I see before me, Yorick?
The times they are a’changing and many more things than yet realised have already fundamentally and comprehensively been changed but that’s perfectly normal and fully to be expected in both the spaces of radical evolutionary and/or rapid revolutionary progress.
Answers on a postcard below Because there’s no way they could get a digital solution to work… …. mishak/MI5hack
Present them with one which is working with pioneering details held by the MoD [Subject: AWE20 – Formal Application – Date: 30 September 2019 at 15:25:35 BST] and their expertise is not required for future knowledge and greater intelligence is already being provided better than was ever before imagined and realised possible.
As a Tool, Absolutely AWEsome, as a Weapon, Formidably Rad and Fabulously Overwhelming.
What is that they say about Gift Horses ‽ . Yes, pretty please? Or No Thanks, we’re still Lost Thinking about all of it?
Although given what you now know, why ever would you need to continue thinking about it other than to delay the inevitable as outlined to you, and your Command and Control Systems and Levers EMPowered and Wielded by A.N.Others Autonomous/Person or Persons Unknown. It smacks far too much of an absolute madness whenever responsible and accountable for delays to not be.
“What is the best way for someone with a good idea to contact the office?”
Practise a comprehensively developed great idea and the office will get in touch with you with a sensible offer no fool denies and refuses. And such are invariably extremely generous in reward to reflect and show heart-felt gratitude for what is being delivered and all that is yet to be bestowed and provided from Immaculately Secured Stores.
Just who is leading whom and/or what then ,is an enigmatic mystery to delight many with later possible solution and resolutions ……. although it is best constantly recognised as a complete and utter waste of time and effort in space, for the answer is always a moveable feast in the FareWare of Tomorrow, not in the Programs and Applications of Today.
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Re: identification of the correct model to deliver the technology strategy
I suppose the secret is to make things extremely simple for them not to stray too far away from the straight and narrow way, Howard Sway, and even initiate live demonstrations of what is now and future available, and as was earlier revealed in answers on a postcard below.
And …. they may much better enjoy being a paying passenger on future programmed journeys far more than worrying in the wallows about the fact that they are not suitably equipped for/with leading drivers.
I wonder how many of these programs are to trick the opposition into wasting more money trying to catch up with your development ? … Yet Another Anonymous coward
Are you specifically referring, Yet Another Anonymous coward, to the leaked tale that China has already conducted sea trials with a shipboard railgun mounted on a Type 072III-class landing ship as far back as 2018, …… a purported fact which had been spurring US railgun development along?
Do you think China and Russia at least nowadays, have learnt more than one will ever know and freely admit to from Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative [Star Wars Program], which earlier had Soviets Satellites chasing their tails and putting themselves in a death spiral spin which they successfully negotiated and pulled out of to further survive and prosper inordinately?
What is the best way for someone with a good idea to contact the office?
Practise a comprehensively developed great idea and the office will get in touch with you with a sensible offer no fool denies and refuses. And such are invariably extremely generous in reward to reflect and show heart-felt gratitude for what is being delivered and all that is yet to be bestowed and provided from Immaculately Secured Stores.
Just who is leading whom and/or what then ,is an enigmatic mystery to delight many with later possible solution and resolutions ……. although it is best constantly recognised as a complete and utter waste of time and effort in space, for the answer is always a moveable feast in the FareWare of Tomorrow, not in the Programs and Applications of Today.
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Whenever one has compilations that invoke live testing ACTive runtimes returning <=> there be thrones aplenty turned irrevocably to Rust for SkunkWorX, REST and Greater IntelAIgent Games Play.
Methinks that has C** realised as being more deeply embedded and fused into the foundations concrete of the Linux kernel than would enable them to be viably imagined and declared a pair of separate and separable entities.
Verity may wish to have words about that too for it surely calls upon her expert teasing expertise ‽ .
In other words, it’s all well and good having a perfected quantum protocol, but if someone can do memory analysis on A or B’s systems, then your “super secure” key can get pwned. “It’s monumentally naive in my view that the companies producing QKD tech don’t take this head on,” Dr Carney concludes. “Hiding behind ‘magic quantum woo-woo security’ is only going to go so far before people start realising.”
That is as may be, however pwnage is absolutely useless until there is any remote attempt to try take unofficial private and/or pirate advantage of quantum key secured information, and then, as is the recognised nature of perfect quantum protocols, will the information and advantage be immediately changed by key quantum communication partners to render the raiders persons of interest to correctional offices/special forces in service of key quantum security requirements.
It is naive in the extreme to not recognise that sort of interference probing QKD tech for undeclared and inequitable advantage as catastrophically self-isolating and highlighting and designedly [by QKD technology buffers] self-destructive.
Re: “it’s in the implementation where things start to get very sticky”
In theory, theory and practice are the same; in practice, theory and practice are different. ….. Arthur the cat
And such renders to quantum communications practitioners their stealthy secure decidedly unfair and inequitable overwhelming advantage, Arthur the cat.
However, one might like to now know, before there be many proposing to be interested for their own personal selfish gain, It is not a failsafe protocol for everyone whenever only needed for an extremely select few into doing great business with an extremely selective few …. who may or may not be considered chosen and exalted because of what they are purported to be able to do ….. and the emerging evidence would support as being honestly true.
And yes, it’s in the implementation where things start to get very sticky and tricky for many who deserve nothing less and a whole lot more besides, with many not able to survive to experience because of their wilful and wanton sinnings in the past and their encouraging stalwart support for such activities in others.