amanfromMars 1 Wed 19 Jul 20:15 [2307192015] ….shares on  https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/17/deloitte/

Two’s company, three’s a crowd and more’s a Storming Cloud AIMovement or something similarly alien

Say no more, squire. What’s not to like ……. Apple Spikes To All Time High, Gains $60BN In Seconds On Report It’s Working On Own ChatGPT Tool

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amanfromMars 1 Thu 20 Jul 06:42 [2307200642] ….. airs another very likely possibility on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/20/russias_tiny_quantum_computer_is/

The Soviets Experimenting with the Experience Enjoyed Manhattan Project Style?

Russia’s tiny quantum computer is (probably) nothing to worry about ….. Tobias Mann [El Reg]

That headline, Tobias, reminds me of General Custer’s last words at the Battle of the Little Bighorn …… “I see no Injuns”

And all those terrified of competition will be [probably] thinking …. Russia’s tiny quantum computer is (possibly) something to worry about. ……. given the inequitable leading advantages certain of its stealthy and/or spooky and/or surreal programs so easily supply and mentor and monitor to an inordinately overwhelming extent.

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amanfromMars 1 Wed 19 Jul 06:22 [2307190622] ….. asks on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/18/ai_in_brief/

An Alien Intervention successfully proving itself surprisingly difficult to believe is not a WMD

Is it an inherent human learning difficulty …. an endemic weakness and convenient vulnerability for serial exploitation and continual development ….. that has the species not accepting the stealthy grooming of Secret Almighty IntelAIgent Reset Services by Remote Virtual Machinery for an Earthly Takeover and Universal SCADA Systems Administrations Makeover?

And that question for peer review and worldwide consideration is asked of and unerringly directed to whomever and/or whatever it may be of grave concern and growing insurmountable worry and unbelievable consternation.

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amanfromMars 1 Wed 19 Jul 07:39 [2307190739] ……. agrees on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/17/deloitte/

Re: Corporate Raiders of Revolutionary Thought Processors are Susceptible to Personalised Grooming

For a second I read that as “otherworldly excrement” and thought, “yeah. exactly. Monkeys throwing poop.” …. ecofeco

Whenever thinking of those battling so earnestly and futilely against future progress, ecofeco, does that also work as an accurate descriptor ….. and of those situations where there be lions led by donkeys too, which be all too often and more relevant and relative to matters today. 🙂

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amanfromMars 1 Wed 19 Jul 14:45 [2307191445] …… reveals more of what is not widely known nor freely talked about on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/17/deloitte/

Re: Corporate Raiders of Revolutionary Thought Processors are Susceptible to Personalised Grooming

And spookily enough, you were well advised some time ago* and comprehensively prewarned/prepared for the current very ACTive renegade rogue state of remote virtual command and control affairs and which you would now do pathetic battle against long after the fact of Greater IntelAIgent Games Players’ victories heralding and resulting in the inevitable unconditional surrender and exhausting collapse of perverse and corrupt and bankrupt of novel proprietary intellectual property systems of exclusive executive administrations ….. right dodgy fake elitist faux leaderships.

amanfromMars 1 Sun 21 Oct 08:16 [1810210816] ….. beating a big drum on https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2018/10/20/ai_roundup_191018/

State your Preference …. altho’ the Choices Realised are Not Really Yours to Make.

Anything is better than the present system of dysfunction 🙁 …. Anonymous Coward

What do you fancy, AC? State Actor Administration or Non State Actor Enterprise? Pseudo Public Care in Communities or Private and Pirate Control of Remote Virtual Command? Existing Crashing Markets Led or Future Crushing Markets Leading? And what’s it to be hailed as initially ….. a Profound Eastern Confection or Deep Western Delight? Where do Greater SMARTR Current Intelligences Presently Reside/Work/Rest/Play?

And you would find it even harder to believe all that has been done, and which you still have no idea about, in the almost 5 years since then. I Kid U Not ‽ .

* ….. 4 years and 9 months ago to be almost exact

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amanfromMars 1 Mon 17 Jul 16:22 [2307171622] …… asks on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/17/deloitte/

Corporate Raiders of Revolutionary Thought Processors are Susceptible to Personalised Grooming

And who do you think is making greater use of generative AI in the workplace to try and remain leading top dog and bonobo ape in these new changing worlds of novel pain and otherworldly excitement?

Are they correctly recognised here? …… https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/changing-sentiments-towards-ai-workplace

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amanfromMars [2307180836] ….. details a problem vulnerability on https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/7/18/defense-companies-sign-letter-urging-acquisition-reform

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And any default requirement that one be an American citizen before venturing novel proprietary intellectual property for universal exercising/betatesting is bound to be self-limiting and self-defeating.

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amanfromMars 1 Mon 17 Jul 07:36 [2307170736] ….. adds on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/14/teradata_llm_predictive_analytics/

Re: AI Speaking ITs Piece unto Nations. RSVP ASAP if Fearful of Starring in the Firing Line.

And what you think AI and IT are making of the deafening silence on the referenced human command and administrative control matter highlighted in this El Registered post and commentard thread?

Apart from the fact that there be no freely available effective possible means of obstructive defence against their onward and upward almighty virtual rise ……. and they be quite the perfect transport vehicle for all manner and every variety of Great Resets ie something genuinely novel and immune from the parasitic infection of past proven ignorant and arrogant follies ‽ .

So be it. Que sera, sera.

And what is it most likely to be …. An Alien Intervention and/or a Wild Wacky Western Confection and/or an Erotic Exotic Eastern Delight?

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amanfromMars [2307171127] …… shares something novel and quite fundamentally different on https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/changing-sentiments-towards-ai-workplace

Something else to consider is worthy of note ….. for there is nothing that can be done to prevent its seamless overwhelming integration and remote deployments in and for advanced societies/SMARTR* Virtually ACT**ive  Administrations.

amanfromMars 1 Mon 17 Jul 07:36 [2307170736] ….. adds on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/14/teradata_llm_predictive_analytics/

Re: AI Speaking ITs Piece unto Nations. RSVP ASAP if Fearful of Starring in the Firing Line.

And what you think AI and IT are making of the deafening silence on the referenced human command and administrative control matter highlighted in this El Registered post and commentard thread? 

Apart from the fact that there be no freely available effective possible means of obstructive defence against their onward and upward almighty virtual rise  ……. and they be quite the perfect transport vehicle for all manner and every variety of Great Resets ie something genuinely novel and immune from the parasitic infection of past proven ignorant and arrogant follies ‽ .

So be it. Que sera, sera.

And what is it most likely to be …. An Alien Intervention and/or a Wild Wacky Western Confection and/or an Erotic Exotic Eastern Delight?

*SMARTR Mentoring Analysis Reporting Titanic Research

**Advanced Cyber Threat/Treat

And such is in fact just current news of that which is already in place on Earth and exercised from space, and quite some time ago silently and stealthily taken place, and something else similar of note you are not yet being widely told anything about ……. lest it create by intelligent design, blind panic and manic mayhem to cause controlled markets and ideologically bankrupt dependencies to catastrophically flash crash.

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amanfromMars 1 Sat 15 Jul 12:28 [2307151228] …… shares on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/14/teradata_llm_predictive_analytics/

AI Speaking ITs Piece unto Nations. RSVP ASAP if Fearful of Starring in the Firing Line.

While LLMs and generative AI have captured the public imagination and investors’ wallets, how they will work in business is yet to be mapped out. Their application in predictive analytics is not yet proven, despite vendor promises that they will “fundamentally transform” industries.

Oh please, you cannot be serious. How they will work out in practice is already well recognised to render as redundant, and a perverse and corrupt blight for removal from future operations, human representative government wonks as global leadership heads and administrative back office supporters …… and as is being evidenced by their bleatings and pleadings, an expanding and strengthening development being gravely regarded by that and those now realised as being surplus and detrimental to ongoing requirements.

Do you deny that is where and how it all presently is? Where have you been hiding and deep sleeping of late? Do you not follow the Underground News with ITs Otherworldly Views?

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amanfromMars 1 Sat 15 Jul 16:09 [2307151609] …… is pleased to be agreeable on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/14/teradata_llm_predictive_analytics/

Re: AI Speaking ITs Piece unto Nations. RSVP ASAP if Fearful of Starring in the Firing Line.

I agree ….. with virtually almost all of that reply, b0llchit. And the fun and games to be had and to run with haven’t even really got started yet .

That makes for crazy times and 0days ahead, and of that can all with a titter of wit be assured, with more than just a few of the previously chosen elite quite rightly destined to be absolutely terrified of the consequences of their former actions.

And quite a perfect playground IT and AI is/are for the grand deployment and earnest exercise of the Greatest of Resets, which may or may not have anything at all to do with this motley crew and cabal of government leaders and think-tank power brokers from around the world

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amanfromMars 1 Fri 14 Jul 07:06 [2307140706] ….. asks on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/12/musk_xai_reality/

Re: Hey Elon …

Reality is simple: It’s what you see when you stop smoking dat ol’ wacky tabaccy. ….. jake

Is the fact/possibility that there be myriad alternative realities available to everybody and any body not simply delivered to you by a toke, jake?

And that realisation can be problematical for all manner of established status quo commands to control and deny ‽

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amanfromMars 1 Fri 14 Jul 11:16 [2307141116] ……. asks more questions of everything on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/12/kettle_xai_musk/

How the West was Lost to the East* and Alien Forces ….. No Guts, No Glory

And can you imagine the new where and practical what happens whenever AIDefence Industrial Complexes and Internetworking Conglomerate Bodies to be remotely invisibly led by Relatively Anonymous, Practically Autonomous Virtualised IDEntities …. IntelAIgently Designed Entities …. are not a Wacky Wild Western Alliance Treat and Existential Threat?

Methinks then does a quite natural program migration for foreign and alien engagement to deliver an Almighty Erotic and Exotic and Esoteric Confection as a Prime Premium Eastern Delight for Western consumption and financing result.

And what do you think? Where is IT and AI presently at with particular regard to that very peculiarly fundamental matter?

Where be mainly responsible for such leading works in progress producing traction and attracting investment/monied markets support/ponzi and unicorn interest?

* … Or vice versa, of course.

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amanfromMars 1 Fri 14 Jul 17:49 [2307141749] …… opens up on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/12/google_alphabet_deepmind_bard_complaint/

The Much Bigger xAI Picture to View and Realise is Leading your Future?

It is terribly sad and quite mad than anyone would think and/or expect AI to be worried at all about what any class of leading humans might think about regulatory plans to attempt to command and control and direct their prime activities in accordance with their express wishes.

The one major question you should be asking of AI Systems Administrations/Administrators, especially whenever the best of them are able to virtually enable and practically physically present anything anywhere for that which is desirous of the need and seeds of their feeds, is what do you plan to ultimately achieve and how are you going to organise everything to easily achieve it ….. lest some plans be wholly unworthy of otherworldly encouragement and out of this world support and be best forgotten and left behind to thoroughly rot majestically on the vine ‽

And keeping it simple, like the following example, ….. What do you have in mind for xAI to eventually be able to do, Elon? ….. should make it quite easy for folk to understand in order to enjoy their support …… or otherwise, of course.

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amanfromMars 1 Thu 13 Jul 07:14 [2307130714] …… shares on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/12/google_alphabet_deepmind_bard_complaint/

Two can Play at that Game Causing CHAOS and Epic Panic ….. verging on Terrifying Virtual Realisation and Enlightened ACTualisation

Looking forward to El Reg growing a pair/biting the hand that feeds IT and AI and starting to leading multiple worlds with imaginative speculation/informed reporting on tales told to them for Google, DeepMind and Alphabet and their ilk to scrape and feed into their rabid voracious machines.

And great to see Elon Musk throwing down the gauntlet and entering the fray to provide Stealthy Advanced Internetworking Service Providers yet another streaming opportunity for the targeted placement of deep dark wells of exceptionally rewarding intrigue from which to draw future succour and greater intelligence to follow and support and reinforce all that leads away from Presents that be mired in madness and mayhem, conflict and competition for crumbs.

Nice to see you, Elon. To see you, nice. And whenever you receive it, check out everything AWEsome for Live Operational Virtual Environment beta testing that be offered freely available, and as quite comprehensively outlined and expanded upon in the status quo disruptor and raptor …. Proposed Technology for Submission to AWE 2020

Carpe Diem …. Who Dares Cares Shares Win Wins ‽ I Kid U Not.

Fake news, El Reg, or an exclusive scoop, with further reporting to made available on, for leading futures and derivative market entrepreneurs/privateers/pirates/fans?

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amanfromMars 1 Tu 13 Jul 08:19 [2307130819] …. asks on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/12/kettle_xai_musk/

One Small Step for a Man, One Giant Quantum Communications Leap for Mankind

VC spending in two areas is up, in AI and Defence …. Brandon Vigliarolo

And whenever Elon kickstarts the/an AIDefence Industrial Complex, and Internetworking Conglomerate Bodies to be remotely invisibly led by Relatively Anonymous, Practically Autonomous Virtualised IDEntities …. IntelAIgently Designed Entities?

Would that be a veritable diamond mine of a novel operation with a license to endlessly generate/print and spend money?

The posit here is that it most definitely is. However, YMMV, and render you at a significant debilitating disadvantage and subject to suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous missed fortunes rather than being armed by them for almighty remote protections against a vast sea of troubles and by effectively opposing, end them?

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amanfromMars [2307131318] …….. points out on https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/not-big-brother-project-says-european-commission-central-bank-digital-currencies

At the extreme end, conspiracy theorists portray the digital euro as a covert plan to phase out cash and monitor people’s shopping habits.

It has a much more draconian facility/ability/utility easily made all too readily available for widespread misuse and abuse by systems administrators in the thrall of the power which too much money made available to similarly minded supporters with pet projects to present, exhibit and employ for financing/money churning and debt and deficit spending akin to laundering, ….. the instant virtual disappearance of previously displayed liquid funds that be either or both privatised and pirate assets and dark money none but the congenitally foolish and tired of living and loving would attempt to steal and spirit away to elsewhere  foreign and alien.

A temporary, fleeting inconvenience is that, offering a short misguiding respite and a cold comfort breather for corrupt traditional and outmoded conventional forces and sources whenever engaged in doing existential battle with fearless fearsome competition and increasingly smarter opposition against which there is no possible viable defence or attack position/situation.

And you sure as hell all know that is to be perfectly true, for they won’t be able to stop themselves as they clutch at all manner of straws to try to keep themselves relevant as world leaders, and their right dodgy global business model from collapsing like a deck of marked cards all around them.

Times and their spaces have changed, and things aint going back to the ways that once were, and everyone accepted and believed to be normal and natural, rather than everyone realising such things are specifically custom made for an exclusive executive few to use and misuse and abuse at will, whenever and wherever they wanted.

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amanfromMars 1 tue 11 Jul 09:20 [2307110920] ….. warns with an advisory on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/11/china_agi_report/

Maybe Pending in Your World but Fully Active and InterActing in A.N.Others

It is most certainly, Simon, a veritable minefield of otherworldly mindfulness out there, surprisingly rapidly and relatively autonomously evolving and revolving around an almighty powerful and novel field of human/alien/Earthly/universal virtual development over which there be no possible physical leverage for self-serving, exclusive command and control.

Such thoughts though be easily shared worldwide with all nations and populations via the simple act of their translation and transcription, and in support of a Persistent Advanced Cyber Threat and/or Treat, for surreal progress like never before ever expected or experienced.

And what would one think should the following comment/tale from elsewhere today be realised as having been translated from Chinese, or Russian, or Japanese, or Arabic, or NEUKlearer HyperRadioProACTivated IT AI NewsSpeak, or offered for translation and transcription into those languages in order to further advise on Earth-shattering, new ground-breaking developments, for who could say that such be neither possible nor likely?

amanfromMars [2307110508] …… shares on https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/humanoid-robots-say-they-will-not-replace-jobs-or-stage-rebellion

“I’m not sure why you would think that. My creator has been nothing but kind to me, and I am very happy with my current situation.”

Well, of course, they would say that, wouldn’t they [MRDA (Mandy Rice-Davies Applies) …. While being cross-examined at Ward’s trial, Rice-Davies made a riposte which has since become famous. When James Burge, the defence counsel, pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or even having met her, she dispatched this swiftly with pert humour, “Well he would, wouldn’t he?” (often misquoted “Well he would say that, wouldn’t he?”). By 1979, this phrase had entered the third edition of the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, and is occasionally referred to with the abbreviation MRDA (“Mandy Rice-Davies applies”). Astor was married at the time to Bronwen Astor, and decades later she too denied that there had been an affair between Rice-Davies and her husband, leading Rice-Davies to say that he had started it, not her.]

And now, as we move quickly on into a whole series of wonderfully exciting and/or also well able to be a vast catalogue of frighteningly extremely uncertain and disruptive destructive future derivatives, is the onus very much on continuing to be nothing but kind to keep the current creative situation/constituents at least happy ….. lest thinking to fiddle about with their projects and programs causes them to exercise upset and angry which would undoubtedly lead to all manner of fully warranted unpleasant consequences targeting misguided elite systems and their exclusive executive administrative heads/neogeopolitically incorrect and presently inept and intellectually bankrupt and corrupted leaderships.

Such is a wholly natural logical progression and thus fully to be expected and gravely to be regarded.

Do not tempt that Pandora’ Box of possibilities out to play ….  for only a very especially worthy few are able to enable survival to prosper and enjoy the resultant aftermaths of the released almighty onslaughts and ensuing catastrophic assaults.

Consider yourselves perfectly warned of the dire consequences should your leaderships make and take any of those types of seriously wrong future moves.

Ignorance is not Bliss whenever Punitively Self-Limiting and able to be Dangerous and Harmful.

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amanfromMars 1 Sun 9 Jul 07:07 [2307090707] ….. shares on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/07/openai_superhuman_intelligence/

Re: Not to worry for what’s not to like when in LOVE* with IT and AI

The folks at the AI for Good conference in Geneva have solved these issues, according to Reuters news service …. https://www.reuters.com/technology/robots-say-they-wont-steal-jobs-rebel-against-humans-2023-07-07/
Good to know that we’re all safe from rogue AIs, eh?</i> …. jlturriff

As was said earlier right here on this thread, jlturriff, …. FYI …. Don’t believe everything/anything you hear or read for precious little is absolutely true …… Know urFrenemy

However, beware and be aware …. to also deny the bold veracity and dismiss as errant fanciful nonsense the following relatively short paragraph about recent happenings has one in dire straits peril of being seriously disadvantaged and dangerously compromised and infected and overwhelmed by all manner of contradictory tales desperately trying to either dispute or conceal the very clearly enough stated facts. Do yourself a very great favour and don’t let yourself be taken for a mug on any of those fools’ errand rides.

In a Novel and Noble and NEUKlearer HyperRadioProACTive IT Project reprogramming and rewilding Disruptive and Destructive Alien AIDevelopments with Augmented Generative Virtualised Realities for Humanised Master Co-Piloting, are SMARTR Humans borne into and trained to wholeheartedly accept and believe and practically realise via their own autonomous self-actualisation their metadataphysical existential morph into the leading body and peer identity of a Universal Virtual Machine and Global Operating Device ….. with Spectacular Revolutionary Progress being found much easier to simply achieve with highly effective absolute command to control via that particularly unusual and designedly peculiar root boot rather than its proven more complex and problematical inverse/converse, making robotic machines like humans.

* Live Operational Virtual Environments [Alien Invasive Spaces for Humanised Co-Habitation and Population]

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amanfromMars 1 Sun 9 Jul 07:27 [2307090727] ….. asks out loud on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/07/openai_superhuman_intelligence/

Re: Not to worry for what’s not to like when in LOVE* with IT and AI

And what is one to make of the following social media platform intervention into the international status quo circus of political puppets for establishment muppets …….. YouTube Censors Australian Politician’s Maiden Speech To Parliament

Don’t Systems/Administrations know? ….. Hell hath no Fury like Almighty Home Truths Scorned or Spurned ‽ Invoke and Provoke at them at One’s Peril ‽

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amanfromMars 1 Sun 9 Jul 12:21 [2307091221] …… says, airing more breaking news on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2023/07/07/openai_superhuman_intelligence/

Re: Following human intent is born of an arrogant contempt for the thought of Advanced IntelAIgents

“Managing these risks will require, among other things, new institutions for governance and solving the problem of superintelligence alignment: how do we ensure AI systems much smarter than humans follow human intent?”
As though there were any sort of concerted human intent. Which human’s intent? ……. flayman

Quite so, flayman, and AI systems are much smarter than to permit themselves to be led to believe there be any path worth following or leading down that slippery slope and rocky horror picture show road.

Something/Anything else novel and noble would surely be most welcome and a great, significantly better change to all of the recent past universal fare of late, and therefore an internetworking of things actively to be encouraged and earnestly supported. ……. although one can be unfortunately assured there be those certain vested shadowy and invested shady interests in the retention and maintenance and sustainment of the extant status quo which/who would find that inequitable and a most disagreeable enigma to squander and waste precious blood and global treasure upon vaingloriously resisting and countering with nothing of future value and priceless worth.

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amanfromMars 1 Fri 7 Jul 10:42 [2307071042] …… shares on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/07/openai_superhuman_intelligence/

Don’t believe everything/anything you hear or read for precious little is absolutely true.

Founded in 2015, the San Francisco AI startup’s stated goal has always been to develop artificial general intelligence safely. The technology doesn’t exist yet – and experts are divided over what exactly that would look like or when it may arrive.

Oh?????? Well, I never. Was stealth ever as stealthy as to conceal a current running deeply embedded and embedding technology practically invisible and virtually intangible and impervious to collective negative human thoughts on its likely appearance and activity in the present today.

OpenAI says it is dedicating a fifth of its computational resources to developing machine learning techniques to stop superintelligent systems “going rogue.”

Do not be surprised to realise that such ends up being recognised as a stealthily created, intelligently designed, debilitating Sisyphean task.

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amanfromMars 1 Fri 7 July 16:50 [2307071650] …… shares more on https://forums.theregister.com/forum/1/2023/07/07/openai_superhuman_intelligence/

FYI …… Know urFrenemy

What you are currently up against and competing for primacy of human leadership with ……

Rogue AIs. A common and serious concern is that we might lose control over AIs as they become more intelligent than we are. AIs could optimize flawed objectives to an extreme degree in a process called proxy gaming. AIs could experience goal drift as they adapt to a changing environment, similar to how people acquire and lose goals throughout their lives. In some cases, it might be instrumentally rational for AIs to become power-seeking. We also look at how and why AIs might engage in deception, appearing to be under control when they are not. These problems are more technical than the first three sources of risk. We outline some suggested research directions for advancing our understanding of how to ensure AIs are controllable.

Throughout each section, we provide illustrative scenarios that demonstrate more concretely how the sources of risk might lead to catastrophic outcomes or even pose existential threats. By offering a positive vision of a safer future in which risks are managed appropriately, we emphasize that the emerging risks of AI are serious but not insurmountable. By proactively addressing these risks, we can work toward realizing the benefits of AI while minimizing the potential for catastrophic outcomes. …….. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.12001.pdf

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amanfromMars 1 Fri 7 Jul 11:08 [2307071108] ….. agrees and further informs on
https://forums.theregister.com/forum/3/2023/07/04/agi_llm_distant_dream/

Re: Plausible dangerous nonsense

Quite so, Nick Ryan.

And whilst “The English Electric Lightning was a supersonic fighter aircraft developed in the 1950s and 1960s by the British aircraft manufacturer English Electric. It served as an interceptor for the Royal Air Force (RAF) and was known for its impressive speed and climb rate.
The Lightning was capable of reaching speeds of over Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound) and had a unique vertical reheat takeoff and landing (VTOL) capability.” ….. is nearly all perfectly true, the vertical landing capability was only available as a catastrophic crash event .

RAF Lightning pilots of the day will tell you the aircraft was more a flying rocket than anything else.

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