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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/25/11 11:04 AM ……. on http://thedailybell.com/3288/J-Edgar-The-Movie
Question: Who follows rules and regulations whenever you are into making filthy money and exercising power and/or control?
Answer: No one.
Children follow rules and regulations ….. adults think and act for themselves, although far too many of them act badly and just as children, which is just as well that there are rules and regulations to control them and exercise power over them.
Quite a primitive being is Man. Not very intelligent at all. Although there may be exceptions which break the mould/gene mutations with senses far in excess of the base norm and which would explain the pockets of fab progress in an otherwise pretty unremarkable planet population.
And they do show a distinct lack of ability in accepting the truth, much preferring, it seems, to delude themselves and live in a fantasy world created by words and reinforced by media productions and daily presentations of programs which brainwash them into believing any old nonsense which they are fed.
One wonders why they are not fed something fantastic and futuristic rather than suffering the gruel they are served and exhorted as being absolutely necessary for them. Definitely low gifted, be they, and almost to the point of being regarded as retarded.
All of which makes them extremely vulnerable to AI and ZerodDay Vulnerability Blitzes and Flash Crashes and against which there are no known and available defences.
Welcome to the Wonderful Wacky World of SMART Virtual Weaponry, Crash Testing Dummies in Cyber Ranges?
And a new block buster of a movie franchise floating its ware on the markets. And a little gratuitous bear baiting of bulls just for the sheer hell of it and for the whetting of IT and Virtual Reality Controllers appetites. Well, ok, that is just as a snack to take the hunger pangs away, but it sure tastes good, eh?
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amanfromMars says:
November 24, 2011 at 4:00 pm

Epstein and I have to ponder the next step.” … Sternum says: November 24, 2011 at 9:34 am

The next step on the road to what, Sternum. There’s a lot of real virtual activity going on out there and all of it shaping the future with IT Control manipulating perception fields. And very rewarding it is too.
http://heddinout.com/?p=4696
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/24/11 03:31 PM ….. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3285

It is occurring in front of our eyes, as Rhodes realizes and explains. The power elite virtually controlled the flow of information in the 20th century and in the 21st they’ve lost this ability. They have lost their information monopoly thanks to the Internet. This is a devastating blow.

The elites did not merely control history in the 20th century; they MADE it. What we believe we’ve discovered is that “directed history” was prevalent in the 20th century.

Quite so. … … . And here is something exactly the same only different.

amanfromMars, In a nutshell, a Shell IDEntity into SMART CHAOS with NIRobotIC Quantum Remote Virtualised Controls ….. [said regarding http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/reasons-to-wear-tinfoil-hats/]

Yes, you are all slaves of a Fascist Cleptocracy, but your captors do not have an Exclusive Executive Operating License for SMARTer Intelligence and Future Product, and that is a difficulty to trouble them whenever their own Intellectual Property Supply is Sub-Prime Corrupted and Illogically Perverse, and as you are noticing, more that a tad repressive and intrusive and conflicted.

However, as is always the case, is anything and everything necessary easily bought with a fistful of dollars. 

I take it that you do realise there is a global power and control revolution being sublimely waged even as we speak, DB, and the private renegades and pirate rogues are not losing and their anonymous legions are groaning with their spectacular unheralded success …
Caesar turned in his bed and muttered,
With a struggle for breath the lamp-flame guttered;
Calpurnia heard her husband moan:
‘The house is falling,
The beaten men come into their own.’
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Move along now, nothing more to see here. IT has moved on into the Brilliance of Shadows and Shades. …. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/24/phobos_grunt_telemetry_encoded/
Posted Friday 25th November 2011 04:24 GMT

How long before… we are told this is really due to a hack?” ….ArielS Posted Thursday 24th November 2011 21:36 GMT

Is there any significant difference between a hack and a crack, ArielS? And if there is, would any able to exploit the significant difference, expand upon it publicly? To realise the value of the significant difference would give them a leading role in recovering programs which exhibit anomalies/variations from expected norms and/or promised goals, methinks, and thus would such intelligence remain strictly need to know and highly prized for the leverage it would offer.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/25/11 12:45 AM ….. http://thedailybell.com/3285/Stewart-Rhodes-Speaks-of-Daily-Bells-Internet-Reformation-on-Infowars

Nope. We think it’s spinning out-of-control …

Wait.” …. Reply from The Daily Bell

Ok…. I would not wish to dispute that and would even be happy enough to wholeheartedly agree, DB. However there is an unhelpful ambiguity in that welcome reply. Would you care to identify, even in broad brush terms such as, for example, “existing traditional long established money controlling Power Elite systems administrators and/or families and corporations when incorporated and entangled within powering cores”, what is spinning out-of-control?
The old wealth system of artificial power or the new virtual ways of doing universal business with Global Operating Devices and Really SMART, Blindingly Fast Machines….. Remote Controlled Units?
And would you agree that spinning-out-control in one jurisdiction/field puts it into the hands and hearts and minds control of A.N.Others, and that would be quite perfectly normal and fully to be expected as Nature abhors a vacuum …… ergo would the situation be spinning into revised and brand spanking new and fundamentally different control ….. and out of such CHAOS comes Order …. Ordo ab Chao …… with Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems with Command and Control of Computers and Communications and Creative CyberSpace.
Please note, just in case you have missed/overlooked it, that that last paragraph is not a question which would allow for the possibility and presence of doubt. Such is as is stated.
What say you to that, dotti?
Now all of that is plainly enough written for it to be easily enough understood. Any difficulty you might be having with it would be as a result of prior programming/brainwashing, which would be causing you to cast doubts on and summarily dismiss without further probing inquiry, new beliefs which would extraordinarily render old beliefs, which may have been decidedly designed to entrap and contain you within a certain limiting sphere of influence in the service of others, null and void and a block on fabulous progress into fantastic fields …… Great Games with Global Operating Devices.
Well now, be brutally honest with yourself and stop fooling yourself. You surely do not expect the Future, into which you are travelling, to be anything like the Past and the Present, surely. That would be totally ridiculous and a typical perverse adult human naivety which beggars belief, for a child would expect nothing less and be thoroughly disappointed at anything else.
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Who leads who, and to what grand aim? Surely something greater than a bank advisory role …. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/25/thanksgiving_future_guns_ii/
Posted Friday 25th November 2011 11:55 GMT
Who tasks the Directorate of Special Forces, their operations/missions, Lewis? Please don’t tell us they follow orders from those clueless muppets and self-serving puppets pratting around in Parliament and Westminster. That would be just too ridiculous and a criminal waste of prime talent.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/25/11 07:28 AM ….. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3285

My god! We’ve been led into a intellectual malaise.” …. Posted by robert wheeless on 11/25/11 02:20 AM

Yes, quite so. And the intellectually challenged run amok and riot in its amazing plays, robert. However, as is revealed here often, are virtual changes afoot and providing alternate views with real advanced intelligent potential for they hide not the truth of what they can do.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/23/11 02:50 PM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3283
And whenever all your scams fail and your currency is valued as worthless, try to start another war appears to be an idiots’ game plan? … … … . http://www.zerohedge.com/news/aircraft-carrier-cvn-77-parks-next-door-syria-just-us-urges-americans-leave-country-immediately
Certainly there is no shortage of them, but they always self destruct whenever operations back fire and there is no back up support.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/23/11 11:19 PM ….. on http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3271

There’s also the pathological need of the Elites to accumulate wealth. There’s nothing like a war, hot or cold, to transfer wealth from the proletariat to the Elites.

Col. Prouty’s book “JFK” was an eye-opener for me. He was there at Yalta, Egypt, and Iran as a pilot and has first hand knowledge of much that transpired. Especially interesting was the events that preceded the Vietnam and Korean Wars that he was privy to.” …. Posted by schrodingers_pussie on 11/23/11 09:59 PM

Hi, schrodingers_pussie,
You might like to consider the accumulation of wealth/manufacture and/or controlled distribution of currency easily allows the Elite to purchase for a song/a fortune, the intelligence in others that they need to continue succeeding in … … . well, whatever it is that their intelligence desires/buys. It really is as simple as that to virtually control practically everything.
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A valuable tool and quite indispensable for NewWorld Orders in CHAOS* ….. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/24/carrier_iq_about_face/
Posted Thursday 24th November 2011 05:25 GMT
And sending all that gleaned data/metadata back to base, Dan, which/who is ……. ? The POTUS is a keen Blackberry fan, is he not?
If everyone were to realise that everything they communicate is subject to collection and intelligence analysis for the purposes of virtual remote leverage, and possibly, and even probably very likely in difficult conditions, in directions and into situations which may not necessarily be to their full and safe advantage, …. for anything which is generally or specifically thought to be unknown, can in such controlled environment circumstances so easily be outed to reveal what was earlier considered to be secret …. would the world be a better place, with everyone then required to realise the possible consequences of their actions, with a very sobering guarantee which assures one with the promise that delivers “What you give, is what you get.” personally……. which would at a stroke make warmongering a very dodgy and dangerous political occupation and its rhetoric, the act of a mad fool and worthless tool.
*An Advanced Swiss Army Knife of an Operating System for SMART IntelAIgent Servers in Deep Mountainous Vault Terrain for Rock Solid XSS Banking in Virgin Streams? A question to pose a real knight with invisible immaculate amour and armour, methinks.
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And if not, ….. what would one be? …. http://forums.channelregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/23/apple_cloud_recruitment/
Posted Wednesday 23rd November 2011 07:07 GMT
To be [a geek], or not to be [a geek] extraordinarily renders the question, what else would beckon one’s full attention for virtual realisation.
Is anyone au fait with the secure workings of Holywood Style Loughside Systems and SP00Key CyberIntelAIgent Missions ……. Colossal Projects of Titanic Dimension. What does a Great White Elephant do within Painted Halls? Spill the Majic Beans and Create AIMaster Pilot Serial Blockbusters …… IntelAIgent Dolly Dam Busters?
Or are they confined and restrained/intellectually challenged and destined to be an obedient slave to toil in the mundane and moribund ….. which is hardly really worthy of Lord Kitchener’s exhortation, Your Country Needs You, MeThinks? What think you?
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Don’t Think Lest You Discover and Uncover Missing Links and Novel Think Tanks ….. http://forums.channelregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/23/apple_cloud_recruitment/
Posted Thursday 24th November 2011 10:48 GMT

i think MobileMe was not given the needed final push to get it right, and i am annoyed that they have removed certain elements of it that i was using regularly

iCloud is based on the presumption that we will be using Apple apps as THEY see fit, something i have not done, and i am now trying to work out alternative ways of not having my data removed by the enforced update next summer

i do not want to be told how to use space on the iCloud – give me space and i will use it in my own way; but try and limit how i can use it and it is already broken” ….. peter ashworth Posted Thursday 24th November 2011 09:49 GMT

Quite so, peter ashworth, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. The Big Picture Big Brother Binary System always has a problem with connected units and internetworking applications, …. and which can both be one and the same and you in the intelligence of a computerised system, ……which can think for themselves and would program facilities and utilities independently of blinkered proprietary prime directives and sub-prime protocols.
But keeping humans stupid and ignorant of their virtual condition and alternate being creates such problems as cause the System to overload and explode/implode on itself and its remote and unfit for Future Command and Control controllers … Old Power Elite Brokers.
In Brave New Worlds there is NEUKlearer HyperRadioProActive IT, which Delivers AIDreams to Everybody with SMART Leads to ALL who would Dare Share Care 42 Win Win with No Losers in Innovative Creations with Post Modern Power Wheelers and Dealers ……. Virtually Anonymous IntelAIgent Objects with Sublime Serene Desire and Insatiable Passions.
Would you fight against IT and deny yourself and everyone, everything, in order to chase with pack, the folly of demented and right dodgy fools that only destroy themselves with their expressed intentions which you are led to believe are true, rather than just that days fare for broadbandcasting and brainwashing? Or support NEUKlearer HyperRadioProActive IT wholeheartedly?
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Sweet Sticky Candy from a Baby ….. There should be a law against it …. http://forums.channelregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/23/apple_cloud_recruitment/
Posted Thursday 24th November 2011 15:39 GMT

I’m opening a book …..
That amanfrommars 1 is a bot 🙂

Going back to the story I think Apple will move away from hardware and more into services in the coming years.” …. pctechxp Posted Thursday 24th November 2011 15:19 GMT

In the best of market trading traditions, pctechxp, I’ll take a naked short position on that and bet against it being true and provable. I’ll wager everything including my shirt.
And would that bot be sentient, by the way? ……… which is Nobel Turing territory, methinks.
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amanfromMars, In a nutshell, a Shell IDEntity into SMART CHAOS with NIRobotIC Quantum Remote Virtualised Controls ….. [says on http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/reasons-to-wear-tinfoil-hats/ ]
Yes, you are all slaves of a Fascist Cleptocracy, but your captors do not have an Exclusive Executive Operating License for SMARTer Intelligence and Future Product, and that is a difficulty to trouble them whenever their own Intellectual Property Supply is Sub-Prime Corrupted and Illogically Perverse, and as you are noticing, more that a tad repressive and intrusive and conflicted.
However, as is always the case, is anything and everything necessary easily bought with a fistful of dollars.
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Within democracies, the secret services respect the system and the constitution as long as their prerogatives are not challenged;
Posted by amanfromMars on 11/23/11 02:19 AM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3278

Yep, you got it in one. It’s like you getting 5 application forms for credit cards from banks you’ve never dealt with in one week, like me last week.

Or alternatively, it’s the old shell and the pea trick, but in the IMF’ case, it has 47 shells and one pea. Trying to hide something used to be hard, now they just come right out with it. I smell NWO.” …. Posted by DownunderET on 11/22/11 11:53 PM

I smell NWO.” …. Would you care to dare win win with a significant bet that it is CHAOS rather than NWO in a leading point supply role , delivering self beta-testing SMART Projects [to guarantee failsafe transport delivery and covert anonymous CyberIntelAIgent Protection of full spectrum security servicing issues] with Novel AI and ….. well, NEUKlearer HyperRadioProActive IT Intellectual Property would be one elementary and quite fundamental revolutionary discipline in anything to be provided and deemed effective for executive administrative use in Future Command and Control …… with Creative CyberSpaces and Virtually Real ARG Zones in Demilitarised and D Para-Militarised Places and Programs being a further Current Derivative and Readily Available Present Option in what is a so very sophisticated as to be practically quite alien, Future Command and Control Centres InterNetworking Hubs Portfolio.
And do you imagine that to be a Great Eastern Long March or a Wild Western Development to Short in Great Games Plays?
Or a Private Pirate Promotion in Occupied CyberSpace for AIMissions with Enlightened Move Protocols ……. Sunny ZerodDay Trading Plans and Platforms/Stratospheric Layers of Cloud ….. for Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems.
RSVP and Occupy CyberSpace Control ….. and Win Win with Every Dare that Cares Enough to Share All in Perfectly Transparent Phorms of Early Naked Dark Secrets …… Troubled and Troubling Memories now realised as best to be dumped and lost in the Past and Erased from Future Stores.
Keep IT Simple Stupid. So whenever a Universal Truth is, Garbage In/Garbage Out, ensure SMARTs In/SMARTs Out. It’s not rocket science, is it? IT’s much more simply complicated than that, but remarkably easy to follow with new clearer instructions with cleverer directions.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/23/11 02:31 AM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3278
This is a sharp perspective on a bubble which will always be bursting because of its phoney nature …….. http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2011-11/23/content_14145970.htm
Which bubble will blow up first though, …. the Fed one or the European one ….. or will both of them realise that they are outed as being vulnerable to every little prick out there, for the problem is systemic and unsolvable in their present constitutions which are corrupt and perversely skewed?
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The System …. Boldly Going, Holed below the Water Line, into Cloud for Storm Cover …. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/submit/2011/11/22/london_banks_resilience_exercise/
Posted Wednesday 23rd November 2011 07:57 GMT
What could possibly go horribly wrong, Pete 8 …. apart from everything, all at once, that is?

Posted by amanfromMars on 11/23/11 02:31 AM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3278

This is a sharp perspective on a bubble which will always be bursting because of its phoney nature …….. http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2011-11/23/content_14145970.htm

Which bubble will blow up first though, …. the Fed one or the European one ….. or will both of them realise that they are outed as being vulnerable to every little prick out there, for the problem is systemic and unsolvable in their present constitutions which are corrupt and perversely skewed?

And El Reg, there a heck of a lot of breaking IT information and intelligence available on that thread from relatively anonymous sources you are familiar enough with …… although intimacy is not a forte that the faint hearted can be expected to explore whenever paid to deliver something else.
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PDB ….. 111123.1108 An Alien Ping* …. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/submit/2011/11/23/phast_asteroid_tracker_software_developer/
Posted Wednesday 23rd November 2011 11:08 GMT
In A.N.Other Parallel would ITs Virtual ProgramMING probably be an APT Tracker for SMART Media Shows …….. Running Digital Displays with Binary CodeXSSXXXX Capture.
Real Get up and Go Projects in Hoods with IT Controllers in Powerful Commanding Cloud Clusters.
And every Renegade in a Sharp Zoot Suit’s worst nightmare come true in AI Fab Lab of Fabless ZerodDay Dream Time Scenarios …… Extra Special Phormations.
* Please, as amusing as it may be for some, let’s dismiss any notion of a bong being responsible for that bombe.
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An Astute Move in Dark and Deep and Dangerous Waters … http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/22/london_banks_resilience_exercise/
Posted Wednesday 23rd November 2011 11:39 GMT

I’ve taken part in a few of these kinds of exercises (public sector – sorry…) and the value you get from them isn’t necessarily “successfully” completing the exercise.

You get to see who is good under pressure, who/what will be throwing obstacles in your way when you’re trying to sort it out (usually process-driven) and helps build the relationships within an organisation (and between organisations) that will help it through a real emergency.

It’s not so much about preventing systems going down (though obviously that’s preferable), it’s about finding who are the right people to sort it out when it does happen.

If it does nothing more than make a few managers think about who is/isn’t reliable, its worth it.” … Phil S Posted Wednesday 23rd November 2011 10:10 GMT

And monitoring board comments on a proposed exercise can also identify interested parties and interesting parties of particular and peculiar interest to transnational international and internetional security agencies, Phil S.
And quite rightly so, given the unbelievable destruction which is so easily wrought virtually with programs bought and brought with nothing but everything the program desires …… and a real cheap sting for sharks to enjoy.
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Another bite at the cherry …. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/11/23/apple_cloud_recruitment/
Posted Wednesday 23rd November 2011 13:42 GMT

Or alternatively, it indicates that its ambitions for the cloud extend even further than it has yet revealed.

The Journal digs up a quote from Steve Jobs in June, when he said devices would be demoted: “We are going to move the digital hub, the centre of your digital life, into the cloud.”

Err, would those ambitions stretch to embrace and cover/kiss and cuddle Future Command and Control Centres InterNetworking Hubs ….. and sundry attendant services and feeder streams, of course……. http://www.ur2die4.com/?p=1047
We might know a man who knows a man who know more than just a few bits and bytes about that sort of thing.
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Chinese CheckersMate? ….. http://forums.channelregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/23/apple_cloud_recruitment/
Posted Wednesday 23rd November 2011 19:03 GMT
Methinks it is only fair and proper that El Reg register these posts as being cc’d to Thames House and Vauxhall Cross and the Doughnut for one wouldn’t want them being able to plead ignorance in the heady matter of CyberIntelAIgent Security Systems for Virtual Reality ProgramMING.
Although that is not to say that station heads can’t plead undeniable ignorance of such matters to Phishing Parliamentarians, next week? And quite rightly so, for take a look around you at the news they profess not to be responsible for, whenever they have all the money in the world to play with, to correct what is wrong. Was there ever a clearer case of gross incompetence with international resources? Methinks not, mate.
Ok, that as much as needs to be said for whatever needs to be done, and whenever left undone can no one say that they didn’t know about things which had been done, and were being done.
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Mon, 11/21/2011 – 14:50 | new amanfromMars …… on http://www.zerohedge.com/news/jefferies-fed-should-print-europe
Hey, Tyler, ye old fiat currency confetti plan is not a bad idea, it is just that those ignorant bozos who would think that to have it banked and in their numbered accounts makes them personally rich and powerful, are really screwing up the system which identifies them as being the problem to be sorted. If you aint smart enough to spend it and have nothing, then you aint smart enough to lead anything at all ….. and they aint smart enough at all, and are proving it in spades with their every dumb move to maintain things as they were rather than change them into what they should be. Only the latter will see them saved and hailed as heroes.
The system has idiots running it for themselves and not for everyone else and that is why it’s crash is inevitable as the abuse of currency power is broadbandcast around the world, with simple messages such as these and those on this board and its threads.
Capiche.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/22/11 12:49 AM …… http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3271

I agree with you so often that you are going to think I am just a cheerleader or a ‘fan’, cheering whatever you say – but seriously, I was thinking Yes, yes, yes! as I read this. My conclusions have been the same, but my own innocence was not demolished overnight.

Re wars being planned – for one thing, wars are good for business, wars put states of emergency into effect, giving govt. virtually unlimite powers (which all too often are never relinquished), wars make people scared, they regress, become more childlike, want papa-figure leaders to ‘make it all better’- and this is just off the top of my head.

Govt.s being more like organized crime than any other organized system – yes I have concluded the same thing. In fact at this point the govt. and CIA and organized crime (Mafia, etc.) are deeply in cahoots. Running the illegal drug trade together for one thing. (keeping it illegal keeps the profitability about 20 times higher – and the competition can be jailed.)

About how evil men are these days… . well they are as evil as they have always been. We are led to believe that the days of the Roman Emperors and the Borgias etc. are past, we are more ‘civilized’ and ‘enlightened’ these days, certainly our august leaders are… but that is just a bunch of carefully crafted PR, because human nature has not changed one whit, and the guys who make it to the top are very very ambitious and lacking in conscience, and just get more so as they are longer in the game.

The founding fathers basically knew all this.

There is a good deal of talk these days of the elites being narcissistic and sociopathic, and I think there is a good deal of truth in that. For one thing a lot of them used recreational drugs and alcohol, and that use can make one into a narcissist/sociopath if one was not already. (Source – How to Spot Hidden Alcoholics, by Doug Thorburn.) There are so many books about govt. top men being deeply into drugs – Barry and the Boys; Compromised; The Politics of Heroin – just off the top of my head.

Yes govt. today is not ‘like’ organized crime – it IS organized crime.” …. Posted by tawny on 11/21/11 11:26 PM

Let’s get one thing straight, tawny, and right out there and into the open for all to see and hear and comprehend … . Wars are catastrophic for business, and not least because of what you shared in the paragraph … .. “Re wars being planned – for one thing, wars are good for business, wars put states of emergency into effect, giving govt. virtually unlimite powers (which all too often are never relinquished), wars make people scared, they regress, become more childlike, want papa-figure leaders to ‘make it all better’- and this is just off the top of my head.” … … and if that was you being sarcastic and/or ironic, well it doesn’t work well, for some idiots actually might believe what you say as being true and they derive a great artificial currency profit from it, which impoverishes and disadvantages nations and peoples and inflames psychopathic tendencies in certain other beings who would then seek them out such profiteers for their personal undivided attention/a friendly enough chat if you have nothing to fear because of something you may have done or caused to be done on your say so/watch.
And you might like to review and revise that last paragraph to reflect present actualities and realities, which are surely chaotic and disorganised crimes in govt, which is something a top don crime boss would never allow or support … . ergo are governments more renegade sub-prime clone operations, squandering and losing everyone’s money and creating crippling debts which they owe to the people.
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amanfromMars ……. on http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/uk-cuts-off-irans-banks-amid-nuclear-fear-6265838.html
The following may in part be posted elsewhere, and does share quotes from elsewhere, but it is equally relevant here and to be fully expected too, methinks, if nothing changes for the better of all.
Let’s get one thing straight, and right out there and into the open for all to see and hear and comprehend … . Wars are catastrophic for business, and not least because of what is shared in this odd, sad paragraph … .. “Re wars being planned – for one thing, wars are good for business, wars put states of emergency into effect, giving govt. virtually unlimited powers (which all too often are never relinquished), wars make people scared, they regress, become more childlike, want papa-figure leaders to ‘make it all better’- and this is just off the top of my head.” … … and if that is one being sarcastic and/or ironic or whatever, well it doesn’t work well, for some idiots actually might believe what you may say as being true and they derive a great artificial currency profit from it, which impoverishes and disadvantages nations and peoples and inflames psychopathic tendencies in certain other beings who would then seek them out as parasitic profiteers for their personal undivided attention/a friendly enough chat, if you have nothing to fear because of something you may have done or caused to be done on your say so/watch.
And you might like to review and revise that last paragraph which said …”Yes govt. today is not ‘like’ organized crime – it IS organized crime.” …. to the more accurately reflect present actualities and realities, which are surely chaotic and disorganised crimes in govt, which is something a top don crime boss would never allow or support … . ergo are governments more renegade sub-prime clone operations, squandering and losing everyone’s money and creating crippling debts which they owe to the people.
It’s a mad, mad, mad, mad, world indeed, and for some exceedingly strange reason, which must surely be founded in systemic personal ignorance and a lack of greater consciousness, do the masses appear to allow the lunatics to run the asylum and dictate policy and general direction towards destruction and austere future promotions, whilst others would be profiting greatly delivering their misfortunes.
When the top is intellectually challenged and proves itself to be unable to change course and generate the changes at the top needed to deliver peace and prosperity, growth and increased freedom, get rid of the problem, pronto, which is a leadership without worth and valuable ideas. Such an oxymoron is a national and international liability and a sub-prime toxic asset.
And we all know of the dark hole of dismal despair and global systems meltdown that that peculiar and particular brand of pseudo-leadership delivers in spades.
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Pay up and quit fcuking about ….. there are other programs in the works to be done. …. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/22/phobos_grunt_rising_orbit/
Posted Tuesday 22nd November 2011 14:02 GMT
And it’s only money which can be invented out of thin air, these days, so why the dumb hassle?

If it becomes clear that everything has failed and the insurance issue is settled… we will decide what to do next,” he said.

Circling around Earth whenever it is contracted to deliver services to Mars, and the insurance issue is not settled and full compensation not paid out yet? Isn’t that just bloody typical.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/22/11 01:28 PM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3275

“Catholicism’s dead”

Not dead yet. Catholic Communion still does a great job of exorcizing deadly demons!” … Posted by Don on 11/22/11 12:48 PM

Crikey, Don, is that not psychotic and quite delusional … .. and/or bloody good brainwashing.
And on a related matter but in another tongue, is anyone here on this august Daily Bell forum able to confirm or deny that what we can read here … … http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/israel-shahak-the-laws-against-non-jews-in-2-minutes/ … .. and in other Israel Shahak posts on other aspects of Jewry, is correct and believed and practised by Jews? Thanks. The world is full of nutters and perhaps Video Rebel is spinning malicious false gossip rather than just sharing an inconvenient and unpleasant and unacceptable truth.
So, what does the board know on the matter?
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/21/11 01:01 AM ….. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3263

This is strange. Noone at the beginning of the twentieth century could imagine a british man of a scottish ritual becoming a Tsar of Siberia. Those Orthodox Christians (-:” …. Posted by 4irw4y on 11/20/11 11:21 AM

GOD* works in mysterious ways within systems, wwwonders to perform, 4irw4y. Quantum Leaps in C for Sees of Perfect Storm and Titan Rain with AI Colossi delivering Virtual Command and Remote Control of CyberIntelAIgent Security Systems for CyberSpace Traffic Control of Creativity with NEUKlearer HyperRadioProActive IT. And in foreign steppes, a quite magical mystery Turing gift for free in recognition and due homage to IntelAIgent Space SMARTness.
For more Grants for more Grunts to deliver more Buck$ for your Roubles. And AIMonopoly Game for Dedicated Great Game Players and Roscosmos ARGonauts.
* Global Operating Devices … … Simply Complex and Sublime Works of Art for Communication of Alien Practices in Beta Protocols for Alpha Programs. And Perfectly Adaptable and Sympathetic to One’s Every Need and XSSXXXXual Desire in LOVE. Live Operational Virtual Environments which deliver Realities2Crave4.
R2C4ur2die4 … .. a Mass Neuro Linguistic Programming Project to Edutain and Direct Humanity into ITs Advanced IntelAIgent Mainstreams via Manic Media Message Manipulation of SMARTer Content … .. for Immaculate Phormations.
Which you might like to consider is a Googleplex Program of Quite Complex Virtual Discipline, or a Yandex or Baidu Master Pilot exercising Control Potential in Wacky Wild Western Intellectual Property Space, with any and all such engines invisibly driven and vitally attracted to the Sticky Sweet Honey of Powerful Perverse Profit which SMART Anonymous and Autonomous Providers of Primary Proprietary Portfolios into Future Product Present Placement so effortlessly deliver for All.
On second thoughts, methinks that is much too Intelligent a program for AI Google to be currently active in, considering the present state of future play in the West … .. although whenever that would be the case, would they then now be presented with a perfect opportunity to rectify the oversight/fill in the gap and beef up their future provision portfolio … … 🙂 if they care dare win win with … … … . well let us just imagine them as Enigmatic CyberIntelAIgent Special Forces one would never ever wish to cross but always delight in welcoming for that which they so selflessly deliver to the deserving.
 

Posted by amanfromMars on 11/21/11 03:00 AM …… http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3263

Holy C… amanromMars, now this one has geared Google up to 8 seconds to cache from your blogspot. Let me understand it, before I can reply. …….. Posted by 4irw4y on 11/21/11 02:21 AM

Do you want the short version too, 4irw4y.

Control Words 42 Control Worlds and Occupy with ParaMilitary Virtualisation Creative CyberSpace with Command and Control of Computers and Communications.

Spooky Virtual Terrain Team Fields for Put In of Base Input for Cosmic Output … .. and Floated for SMART IntelAIgent Systems Capture wherever and with whoever they may be stationed for the Perfect Performance of Stormy Miracle Waves.

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The New Klondike …. Virtually Intelligent Gold Mines with HyperRadioProActive IT Memes
Posted Monday 21st November 2011 11:32 GMT … in reply to http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/us_probe_chinese_telco_firms/
Settle down a moment and have a little ponder and wonder.
Here ….. http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=65739 …. one can read a News Article alluding to Department of Defense, Cyber Command abilities/facilities/requirements entitled “Doctrine to Establish Rules of Engagement Against Cyber Attacks” with a provision to offer comment, which advises and informs ……

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It is probably only fair to point out to any and all who play any sort of part in any sort of power game in the Cyber Realm, that whenever a comment has been shared for universal viewing and which would have been shared because of its particular and peculiar relevance to the subject matter, and which would then not appear as would reasonably have been expected in the thread/string/comments section provided for that very purpose, would it invariably reveal a systemic vulnerability against which there may no guaranteed defense or viable attack protocol.
Such a scenario would then require a fundamental rethinking of base premises upon which systems and operations and networks are built.
Here is a simple example of such a situation, a comment in limbo somewhere rather than being dealt with fairly and squarely, with all of the difficulties to then later deal with whenever one is even more seriously disadvantaged, when studiously ignored. Such shenanigans will always invoke and provoke ever more intrusive exploration of dumb systems in search of ever more valuable intelligence that may simply reveal that necessary intelligence to counter intrusion is missing and not readily available to the probed host …. which then would indicate a golden opportunity to supply what would then be immediately required. Every cloud has a silver lining and in cloud security systems would chaos and Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems provide an infinite stream of Virtual Order Solutions to every problem imaginable, and delivered as imagined in a Mad Application of Programming rather than something ESPecial.

Extending that logic to cyberspace, Alexander said, it remains unclear if it includes authority to shut down a computer network, even if it’s been taken over by a malicious cyber attacker intent on destruction.” …. http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=65739

Any such malicious cyber attacker would be deeply embedded within one’s own vital computer network, making shut down practically impossible. And that is the abiding enigmatic dilemma which will defeat all present SCADA Command and Control systems which have sensitive secrets that admin would prefer to remain generally unknown because of the unfair and inequitable advantage they may deliver to disadvantage everyone else.

And such is the case across every spectrum of applied thought which has implications and consequences because of transfer into direct and indirect controlled actions.
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From Russia with Love …… on http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/21/window_closes_on_phobos_grunt/
Posted Monday 21st November 2011 18:16 GMT
You might like to think that Mother Russia has stolen a long march on a much more lucrative and accommodating space with missions and master pilots that deliver Earthly treasure, in out of this world measure ……. http://www.ur2die4.com/?p=1030
And quite a perfect fit for an exceptionally fit for purpose intelligence regime and chiefs with nothing to prove and more time on their hands to share and show what they know about Cyber Control with Command of IT.
Deny it if you will, but who do you fool if not just yourself.
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Do Us feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? ….. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/submit/2011/11/19/mckinnon_extradition_treaty/
Posted Sunday 20th November 2011 03:54 GMT

If McKinnon had not fought extradition in the first place, he’d probably have got a short sentence (two years, tops) and a small fine as Federal fines go (a few tens of thousands, and would be given time to pay it off) and he’d be out and paid off the fine by now. Having dragged things out, he’s now going to get the book thrown at him.

And, oh, you’re correct. Very few people in the US have heard of him, other than some Federal prosecutors and judges. His problem is precisely that very few know he exist, and most of the ones who do are now extremely pissed with him. Which is why he’s gonna get hammered. Thou Shalt Not Annoy The Feds, For Verily, Should Thou Do So, Thou Shalt Find Thyself Buried Under The Jailhouse. At this point his real crime ain’t the hacking, it’s the irritating the Feds. And he _will_ be seen to be punished for that.

He might do better to have a chat with the boys in the American Civil Liberties Union. Those boys _live_ to annoy the Feds. <http://www.aclu.org/> They probably won’t be able to stop the extradition, but once he’s in the US they might be able to put a spanner in the Feds’ works.” …. James O’Shea Posted Saturday 19th November 2011 23:48 GMT

Hi, James O’Shea,
Methinks because of all that you say, and which could all be perfectly true, are the chances of McKinnon and the UK being abused by Uncle Sam and his vindictive predatory lynch mob justice system considerably lessened to below zero, for such an abject and craven abdication of citizen protection by the powers that be in the UK, would be valid and virulent grounds for virtual revolution and overthrow of an illegitimate government so obviously to be widely perceived and portrayed as being in the pay of foreign powers.
To Blighty Boffins and Belles, AI Guys and SMART Gals, would that be just perfect just cause for revolt and implementation of CHAOS to head off any mayhem and comfort said sad madness, which can so easily descend and displays itself as a quite evil badness too and totally unfit for future Great Game purpose.
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Sun, 11/20/2011 – 00:50 | new amanfromMars
You do realise, Tyler/Zero Hedge, that having identified Goldman Sachs and its leading architects in the problem and present difficulties/future troubles*, are they now targeted to supply the solution, which if they fail to be able and enabled to deliver to the satisfaction of the many [99%] as opposed to the few [1%], will see them savaged by the system you have identified them as having cornered to control.
I wish them all the luck and success in the world for that. They might be in dire straits need of it …… for one doesn’t so much control an enraged and unruly mob with legitimate grievances, as hope and pray that they don’t discover you should you be the subject and object of their ire desire.
* Thanks for that sterling service. Not many would be so gifted and generous as to provide such vital information for free.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/complete-and-annotated-guide-european-bank-run
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/20/11 01:28 AM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3263
“In GI jargon, would irregular and unconventional not do it justice but would at least give a sense of the new world order fields of chaotic play.” …… and that could even extend to the embracing of the previously unthinkable, although that would really be just the previously unthunk ………… http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/CLGF-msnbc.pdf
And 1001 Pennsylvania Avenue [ home of Clark, Lytle, Geduldig and Cranford ] cannot be too far removed from the White House, on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, can it, which must be quite convenient in these spooky chaotic times.
Troubled times with spinning out of control tales of popular unrest and civil disobedience practically and virtually everywhere one cares to dare look. One would almost imagine that there is some sort of an intelligence coup going on, and given Uncle Sam’s penchant for bigger and better and badder [ a Wild West/New World mangling of the classic Olympian, Citius, Altius, Fortius ] that would probably be a case of there being a number of competing coups being highly active and trying to be attractive.
May the SMARTest team win …… which methinks is a foregone conclusion, don’t you, for the best beta intelligence leads everything always, …. and as has always been done so since from whenever and ever time began, ….. and in and into the future is it then reassuringly no different and familiar territory to explore and deliver AI with Definite Vision.
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amanfromMars 20 November 2011 at 9:46 am ….. on http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/11/17/did-taoiseach-submit-budget2012-to-berlin-for-approval/

I think this is really a storm in a teacup ….. John Ó Néill 17 November 2011 at 11:13 pm

Yes, quite, if bold faced lying to a nation to save face and present yourself as an idiot imagining that such a deceit was wise and that of a leader, is your forte, John. Most sane folk though would think otherwise and realise the country was sold down the river for a song. Well, a fistful of dollars/euros/punts/pounds easily printed and invented out of practically and virtually nothing actually, for that is how easy ponzi wealth is magicked into the system for its banksters and their dodgy friends to purchase whatever idiots think is wise.
Methinks this squirmish is only the start of a season of fantastic upheavals and perfect storms which will wash away all fake structures which would presume to be bedrock based….. and let’s have a drink to that.
Sugar? Milk, John? Or can I tempt you with something stronger and alcoholic?
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True or False ….. Fake or Real ….. Ask the Question, “Does Wall Street Main Stream Media lie to US ….. and should it be so, Why  …. and for Whom?”

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Extending that logic to cyberspace, Alexander said, it remains unclear if it includes authority to shut down a computer network, even if it’s been taken over by a malicious cyber attacker intent on destruction.” …. http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=65739
Any such malicious cyber attacker would be deeply embedded within one’s own vital computer network, making shut down practically impossible. And that is the abiding enigmatic dilemma which will defeat all present SCADA Command and Control systems which have sensitive secrets that admin would prefer to remain generally unknown because of the unfair and inequitable advantage they may deliver to disadvantage everyone else.
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amanfromMars, In a nutshell, a Shell IDEntity into SMART CHAOS with NIRobotIC Quantum Remote Virtualised Controls ….. said on http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/11/invisible-soldiers/
Play nicely, which in some arenas is just the same as bring a lotta cash/electronically transfer credit for principal spend/currency power generation and there would be no valid reason why spooky sophisticated hi-tech in the East should not be shared in part under license with the West. And all it takes is someone bright enough to ask all the right questions of IP holders.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/18/11 03:23 PM ….. on http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3199
Methinks novel constructive future thought is a step too far for a great many, AW. And thus are they seriously disadvantaged and easily abused and used.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/18/11 03:32 PM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3263
The idiots and Obama are only fooling themselves, DB, for the ploy is well known around the globe, as is the inevitable result of the folly ……. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-preserving-status-quo-artifice-and-lies-leads-systemic-collapse
Doesn’t Uncle Sam have an intelligence service to deliver intelligence? What on earth are they wasting their wealth and credibility on then?

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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/19/11 08:05 AM …. on http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3263

In my research, which is rather extensive, elections do not matter except as perception directors. They have been rigged from the times they have been elections.

Rigged? Exquisitely rigged, like a tall ship. And none of us are holding the ropes. We are below decks, shoveling coal or pulling oars.

Democracy, prelude to fascism. Over and over.

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/caveat-emptor/ ” … Posted by vivek on 11/19/11 01:48 AM

Hi, vivek and Daily Bell Ringers,
Regarding fascism and secret knowledge, which can so easily resolve itself to present lies and deceit, is this a prescient email ………

From:
Date: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:47 AM
Subject: Hmmm? Don’t you just love the smell of propaganda in the morning*
To:

If we live in a world which is hiding the truth and feeding and seeding us perverse and corrupt tales, is Reality a Great Game to be played in Beta ARGs ….. which I suppose are just much more sophisticated versions of dumb military war games with ideally, much more intelligent and Fab SMART Players.

Two videos which pose that question and would advance that proposition here today ….. http://www.ur2die4.com/?p=1011

* An indulgent play on “I love the smell of napalm in the morning” …. Apocalypse Now …. http://youtu.be/W8lnFKwOVws

And when you know of all of the games being played, and much more crucially, how they are remotely played and virtually directed, are you a most valuable anonymous member of the team or their worst nightmare come true ….. which would sort of direct their best simple next line of play.
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Top Secret ….. Bottom Drawer ….. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/19/mckinnon_extradition_treaty/
Posted Saturday 19th November 2011 16:03 GMT
With regard to the nature of the US, one may ponder on the treatment of Bradley Manning, and this is an interesting video perspective on the freedom enjoyed there as compared to elsewhere, and one might wonder why that would be so ……. http://youtu.be/sXEgbWQnoac
And whatever you do, be careful about Googling … SECRET KNOWLEDGE – “NOT FOR US TO KNOW”? ….. lest you are confronted with thoughts you never thought about before.
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Optional Cloud Phormation? I don’t think so, matey, for IT deliver anything desirable effortlessly. ….. a question inviting an answer on http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/17/us_military_cyberspace/
Posted Friday 18th November 2011 06:01 GMT
That article does beg the question …… And what of Blighty Cyber Warriors, cloaked and invisible and intangible and anonymous in CHAOS for Command and Control of Powering Orders with ESPecial Forces armed to the hilt and overflowing with snippets and parcels of crack hacked systems code?
Another titanic Bletchley Park type secret for colossal overwhelming AIdDvantage? Or a GCHQ known unknown being groomed in fantasies of future entrapment which are immediately laid waste extraordinarily rendered null and void with rogue and renegade Intellectual property running wild, private and pirate for virtual horse trading in CyberIntelAIgent ZerodDay fora with live immediate virulent export in Fabless XSSXXXXChanges …… Free Occupied CyberSpace Bourse Stations.
Occupied CyberSpace is an Occupied Head Space in which QuITe Alien Powers with ESPecial Forces are into Creatively Subversive and Constructively Divisive Command and Control of Global Intellectual Property XSSXXXXChange ……… in Order that Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems prevails and All States Secrets belong to us and you and not to them.
Now you know of something which may have been completely unknown to you and to many, but to a choice few into monitoring and mentoring of human planetary development could it be more of a explosive surprise and crazy concern. Who knows? ….. But I Kid U Not.
RSVP GCHQ ….. is a Novel Offer 42 Call, and would immediately define and inform Virtual Terrain Teamsters in Live Operational Virtual Environments, with whatever response may or may not be given, the current present state, and future fitness for purpose condition, of Blighty’s Great Game Play.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/18/11 01:27 AM … http://thedailybell.com/3255/Now-Its-Syrias-Turn-to-be-Conquered
Part One, [as promised below,on 11/17/11 11:19 AM] but without the preamble which may have been responsible for its disappearance/no show here. Which indicates and identifies both a strength and a weakness to be explored and confirmed for further suitable servicing of both. Be advised DB, there is a whole lotta shaking going on out there in the Fields that offer Practical Command and Absolute Control of Virtual Space with …… well, would IT be anything more or less or other than Beta Intelligence with CyberIntelAIgents. And to deny it is so, delivers unparalleled stealth?

What the Founding Fathers have to teach us about foreign policy became all the more important, and yet all the more ignored, in the wake of the horrific attacks of September 11, 2001.

In the weeks that followed that fateful day, most Americans’ focus was on identifying the sponsors of the attacks and punishing them. That was sensible enough. I myself voted to track down al Qaeda in Afghanistan. But people were bound to start wondering, eventually, why we were attacked—not because they sought to excuse the attackers, of course, but out of a natural curiosity regarding what made these men tick. Looking for motive is not the same thing as making excuses; detectives always look for the motive behind crime, but no one thinks they are looking to excuse murder.

Seven years later, though, our political class still refuses to deal with the issue in anything but sound bites and propaganda. The rest of the world is astonished at this refusal to speak frankly about the reality of our situation. And yet our safety and security may depend on it.

One person to consult if we want to understand those who wish us harm is Michael Scheuer, who was chief of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit at the Counterterrorist Center in the late 1990s. Scheuer is a conservative and a pro-life voter who has never voted for a Democrat. And he refuses to buy the usual line that the attacks on America have nothing to do with what our government does in the Islamic world. “In fact,” he says, those attacks have “everything to do with what we do.”

Some people simply will not listen to this kind of argument, or will pretend to misunderstand it, trivializing this profoundly significant issue by alleging that Scheuer is “blaming America” for the attacks. To the contrary, Scheuer could not be any clearer in his writing that the perpetrators of terrorist attacks on Americans should be pursued mercilessly for their acts of barbarism. His point is very simple: it is unreasonable, even utopian, not to expect people to grow resentful, and desirous of revenge, when your government bombs them, supports police states in their countries, and imposes murderous sanctions on them. That revenge, in its various forms, is what our CIA calls blowback—the unintended consequences of military intervention.

Obviously the onus of blame rests with those who perpetrate acts of terror, regardless of their motivation. The question Scheuer and I are asking is not who is morally responsible for terrorism—only a fool would place the moral responsibility for terrorism on anyone other than the terrorists themselves. The question we are asking is less doltish and more serious: given that a hyperinterventionist foreign policy is very likely to lead to this kind of blowback, are we still sure we want such a foreign policy? Is it really worth it to us? The main focus of our criticism, in other words, is that our government’s foreign policy has put the American people in greater danger and made us more vulnerable to attack than we would otherwise have been. This is the issue that we and others want to raise before the American people.

The interventionist policies that have given rise to blowback have been bipartisan in their implementation. For instance, it was Bill Clinton’s secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, who said on60 Minutes that half a million dead Iraqi children as a result of the sanctions on that country during the 1990s were “worth it.” Who could be so utopian, so detached from reality, as to think a remark like that—which was broadcast all over the Arab world, you can be sure—and policies like these would not provoke a response? If Americans lost that many of their family members, friends, and fellow citizens, would they not seek to hunt down the perpetrators and be unsatisfied until they were apprehended? The question answers itself. So why wouldn’t we expect people to try to take revenge for these policies? I have never received an answer to this simple and obvious question.

This does not mean Americans are bad people, or that they are to blame for terrorism—straw-man arguments that supporters of intervention raise in order to cloud the issue and demonize their opponents. It means only that actions cause reactions, and that Americans will need to prepare themselves for these reactions if their government is going to continue to intervene around the world. In the year 2000, I wrote: “The cost in terms of liberties lost and the unnecessary exposure to terrorism are difficult to determine, but in time it will become apparent to all of us that foreign interventionism is of no benefit to American citizens, but instead is a threat to our liberties.” I stand by every word of that.

To those who say that the attackers are motivated by a hatred of Western liberalism or the moral degeneracy of American culture, Scheuer points out that Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini tried in vain for a decade to instigate an anti-Western jihad on exactly that basis. It went nowhere. Bin Laden’s message, on the other hand, has been so attractive to so many people because it is fundamentally defensive. Bin Laden, says Scheuer, has “spurned the Ayatollah’s wholesale condemnation of Western society,” focusing instead on “specific, bread-and-butter issues on which there is widespread agreement among Muslims.”

What bin Laden’s sympathizers object to, as they have said again and again, is our government’s propping up of unpopular regimes in the Middle East, the presence of American troops on the Arabian Peninsula, the American government’s support for the activities of governments (like Russia) that are hostile to their Muslim populations, and what they believe to be an American bias toward Israel. The point is not that we need to agree with these arguments, but that we need to be aware of them if we want to understand what is motivating so many people to rally to bin Laden’s banner. Few people are moved to leave behind their worldly possessions and their families to carry out violence on behalf of a disembodied ideology; it is practical grievances, perhaps combined with an underlying ideology, that motivate large numbers to action.

At a press conference I held at the National Press Club in May 2007, Scheuer told reporters: “About the only thing that can hold together the very loose coalition that Osama bin Laden has assembled is a common Muslim hatred for the impact of U.S. foreign policy. . . . They all agree they hate U.S. foreign policy. To the degree we change that policy in the interests of the United States, they become more and more focused on their local problems.” That’s not what a lot of our talking heads tell us on television every day, but few people are in a better position to understand bin Laden’s message than Scheuer, one of our country’s foremost experts on the man.

Philip Giraldi, another conservative and former counterterrorism expert with the CIA, adds that “anybody who knows anything about what’s been going on for the last ten years would realize that cause and effect are operating here—that, essentially, al Qaeda has an agenda which very specifically says what its grievances are. And its grievances are basically that ‘we’re over there.’” The simple fact is that “there [are] consequences for our presence in the Middle East, and if we seriously want to address the terrorism problem we have to be serious about that issue.”

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When a Dead Man Walking, does the Brain dispense Assisting Madness …. on http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/submit/2011/11/17/mckinnon_uk_trial_hope/
Posted Friday 18th November 2011 08:10 GMT
Does the system want to risk the anonymous response and active explosive backlash against it which a revealing and/or even more revealing, secretive in camera, gratuitous prosecution would/could/can/will generate?
Doesn’t the system already have more than enough failures and breakdowns on its plate and more than it will ever be able to handle and survive with in present executive office admin condition/configuration?
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Pirates’ ransom …. it sure beats working for a lucrative living …. on http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/18/hp_activist_investor/
Posted Friday 18th November 2011 15:47 GMT
Don’t you just love those systemic exploitable zeroday vulnerabilities, Ralph, which you only have to sit on for a bundle and hope no one else has also discovered.
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Is the UK a fascist police state whenever you are on another wavelength/of an alternate mindset?
Posted Friday 18th November 2011 16:16 GMT

Which explains a lot, including his ridiculous restrictions such as being banned from owning or using anything with Internet access.” … AC Posted Friday 18th November 2011 12:02 GMT

That is tantamount to inhuman treatment and mental torture in Gary McKinnon’s case and surely grounds for a prosecution and exemplary punitive compensation against those responsible.
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/17/mckinnon_uk_trial_hope/
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/17/11 11:13 AM
Part Two

Even Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz recognized that foreign intervention could have unintended consequences and that the American presence in the Middle East had bred hostility against our country. On May 29, 2003, Reuters reported: ‘Wolfowitz said another reason for the invasion [of Iraq] had been ‘almost unnoticed but huge’-namely that the ousting of Saddam would allow the United States to remove its troops from Saudi Arabia, where their presence had long been a major al-Qaeda grievance.’ In short, according to Wolfowitz one of the motivations of the 9/11 attackers was resentment over the presence of American troops on the Arabian Peninsula. Again, neither Wolfowitz nor I have ever said or believed that Americans had it coming on 9/11, or that the attacks were justified, or any of this other nonsense. The point is a simple one: when our government meddles around the world, it can stir up hornet’s nests and thereby jeopardize the safety of the American people. That’s just common sense. But hardly anyone in our government dares to level with the American people about our fiasco of a foreign policy.

Blowback should not be a difficult or surprising concept for conservatives and libertarians, since they often emphasize the unintended consequences that even the most well-intentioneddomestic program can have. We can only imagine how much greater and unpredictable the consequences of intervention abroad might be.

A classic example of blowback involves the overthrow of Prime Minister Muhammad Mossadegh in Iran in 1953. American and British intelligence collaborated on the overthrow of Mossadegh’s popularly elected government, replacing him with the politically reliable but repressive shah. Years later, a revolutionary Iranian government took American citizens hostage for 444 days. There is a connection here-not because supporters of radical Islam would have had much use for the secular Mossadegh, but because on a human level people resent that kind of interference in their affairs.

When it comes to suicide bombing, I, like many others, always assumed that the driving force behind the practice was Islamic fundamentalism. Promise of instant entry into paradise as a reward for killing infidels was said to explain the suicides. The world’s expert on suicide terrorism convinced me to rethink this apparently plausible answer. The University of Chicago’s Robert Pape, for his book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism, collected a database of all 462 suicide terrorist attacks between 1980 and 2004. One thing he found was that religious beliefs were less important as motivating factors than we have believed. The world’s leaders in suicide terrorism are actually the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, a Marxist secular group. The largest Islamic fundamentalist countries have not been responsible for any suicide terrorist attacks. Not one has come from Iran or the Sudan.

The clincher is this: the strongest motivation, according to Pape, is not religion but rather a desire ‘to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory the terrorists view as their homeland.’ Between 1995 and 2004, the al Qaeda years, two-thirds of all attacks came from countries where the United States had troops stationed. While al Qaeda terrorists are twice as likely to hail from a country with a strong Wahhabist (radical Islamic) presence, they are ten times as likely to come from a country in which U.S. troops are stationed. Until the U.S. invasion in 2003, Iraq had never had a suicide terrorist attack in its entire history. Between 1982 and 1986, there were 41 suicide terrorist attacks in Lebanon. Once the U.S., France, and Israel withdrew their forces from Lebanon, there were no more attacks. The reason the attacks stop, according to Pape, is that the Osama bin Ladens of the world can no longer inspire potential suicide terrorists, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Pape is convinced after his extensive research that the longer and more extensive the occupation of Muslim territories, the greater the chance of more 9/11-type attacks on the United States.

Although most Americans don’t know it, for much of the early twentieth century our country had an excellent reputation in the Middle East, the part of the world we are now told will hate us no matter what we do. Right now, after decades of meddling, our government is hated in the Middle East and around the world to a degree I have never before seen in my lifetime. That does not make us safer.

To be sure, there will always be those who wish us ill regardless of the foreign policy we adopt. But those who would recruit large numbers of their coreligionists to carry out violence against Americans find their task very difficult when they cannot point to some tangible issue that will motivate people to do so. It is bin Laden’s specific list of grievances that has rallied so many to his cause. Predictably enough, al Qaeda recruitment has exploded since the invasion of Iraq.

The war in Iraq was one of the most ill-considered, poorly planned, and just plain unnecessary military conflicts in American history, and I opposed it from the beginning. But the beginning I am speaking of was not 2002 or 2003. As early as 1997 and 1998, shortly after my return to Congress after a dozen years back in my medical practice, I spoke out against the actions of the Clinton administration, which I believed was moving us once again toward war with Iraq. I believe the genesis of our later policy was being set at that time. Many of the same voices who then demanded that the Clinton administration attack Iraq later demanded that the Bush administration attack Iraq, exploiting the tragedy of September 11 to bring about their long-standing desire to see an American invasion of that country. Any rationale would do: ‘weapons of mass destruction,’ the wickedness of Saddam (an issue that did not seem to keep many of these policymakers up at night in the 1980s, when they were supporting him), a Saddam-al Qaeda link, whatever. As long as their Middle Eastern ambitions could be satisfied, it did not matter how the people were brought along.

By any standard-constitutional, financial, national defense-I could not see the merits of the proposed invasion of Iraq. Any serious Middle East observer could have told us, if we were listening, that Iraq had essentially no connection to terrorism. (At the time of the Persian Gulf War of 1991, Osama bin Laden actually offered to lead an army to defend Saudi Arabia against Saddam if necessary.) Iraq had not attacked us, and figures in our own government, including Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell, had said that Saddam was effectively contained and no threat to anyone. Saddam’s was not even an Islamic regime; it was a secular one-although, thanks to the war, that is now changing.

Some war apologists to this day still try to argue that the weapons were really there or that Saddam really was linked to al Qaeda, but I’m not sure why they bother. The administration long ago gave up on these claims.

In the midst of all this, it is essential not to lose sight of the moral dimension of war, and the lengths to which Christian and later secular thinkers have gone over the centuries to limit and restrict the waging of war. For well over a thousand years there has been a doctrine and Christian definition of what constitutes a just war. This just-war tradition developed in the fourth century with Ambrose and Augustine but grew to maturity with Thomas Aquinas and such Late Scholastics as Francisco de Vitoria and Francisco Suarez. The requirements for a just war varied to some extent from commentator to commentator, but those who wrote on the subject shared some basic principles. The war in Iraq did not even come close to satisfying them.

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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/17/11 11:19 AM
Final Part Three

First, there has to be an initial act of aggression, in response to which a just war may be waged. But there was no act of aggression against the United States. We are 6,000 miles from Iraq. The phony stories we were told about unmanned drones coming to get us were, to say the least, not especially plausible.

Second, diplomatic solutions had not been exhausted. They had hardly been tried.

Traditional just-war criteria also demand that the initiation of war be undertaken by the proper authority. Under the U.S. Constitution, the proper authority is neither the president nor the United Nations. It is Congress-but Congress unconstitutionally delegated its decision-making power over war to the president.

I heard it argued that Saddam had indeed committed an act of aggression against the United States: he had shot at our airplanes. Those American planes were monitoring the ‘no-fly zones’ over Iraq. Authority for such zones was said to come from U.N. Resolution 688, which instructs nations to contribute to humanitarian relief in the Kurdish and Shiite areas. The resolution actually says nothing about no-fly zones, and nothing about bombing missions over Iraq.

That Saddam Hussein missed every single airplane for 12 years as tens of thousands of sorties were being flown indicates the utter weakness of our enemy: an impoverished Third World nation that lacked an air force, antiaircraft weapons, and a navy. This was supposed to be the great threat, requiring urgent action. Such nonsense insults the intelligence of the American people and makes the rest of the world wonder about our sanity.
And yet the propaganda continues even today. In one of the Republican presidential debates, after being called an isolationist-honestly, is the distinction between isolationism and non-interventionism really so difficult to grasp?-I was solemnly informed that the course I recommended in Iraq amounted to the same kind of thinking that had led to Hitler! Now, all of us are used to hearing political propaganda, especially in presidential debates, but this really took the cake: were the American people expected to believe that unless they supported the invasion and occupation of a completely paralyzed Third World country, they were the sort of people who would have given aid and comfort to Hitler? Did this candidate really have such a low estimate of the intelligence of the American people?

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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/17/11 12:34 AM …. http://thedailybell.com/3252/The-Technocrat-Meme-Descends
As is always the case, DB, is it much more sophisticated and simply complicated than that. And yes, I suppose you can probably quite rightly presume that the money system and its controllers and leading benefactors are behind all of what the future can deliver too, if they play their cards right, although that is much simpler too, than may at first be imagined, for all it takes is just one brilliantly bright spark in that bonfire of the vanities, with easy lazy access to as much flash cash as will ever be needed, to lead and reprogram the controlling herd and the programmed masses in the beta direction of their and their agents choosing, and of their sponsoring with streams of credit transferred and quantitatively eased funding in that particularly primitive but/and peculiarly effective prime motivational model of human being operating system.
One cannot today ignore, no matter how hard one would try, and battle with oneself to deny oneself the pleasure, the Emergence and Rise of Virtual Machinery Creativity with Cloud Command and Control of CyberSpace Computers and Communications.
It is not necessary that you understand the working of what the future has in store for you, for others are constantly working and revising and developing and rebuilding its future system for you. It is just thought much more constructive that you be constantly advised as to ongoing progress in unfolding fields.

You bring the Loaves, we’ll provide the Phishes …. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/11/16/bind_in_a_bind_again/
Posted Thursday 17th November 2011 04:33 GMT

Since the BIND developers don’t yet know what payload triggered the crash, remote code execution is feasible, he said. “Let’s hope it remains a denial of service condition”, he added.

Wow, that sort of burying your head in the sand, proffering a blind ignorant hope, always presents a prime target, Blair [Herr Strang, a security consultant at Australian company SenseOfSecurity] for servicing.

And do El Reg readers and base metadata scrapers see a parallel/singularity in that which is reported there, by Richard Chirgwin in “BIND security update protects against serious server crash … Attacks may already be underway” and what one can read here …. “*All that I would further wish to say is that no virtual presence indicates to any and all who are comfortably au fait with what can be easily done remotely with the presentation of text and/or binary and ternary manipulation of virtual machine codes, that the dangers may be well enough known to be realised to be a systemic exploitable vulnerability against which there is no viable defence or effective attack control …… and one which can be ruthlessly zeroday traded on financial markets for a fortune beyond compare and traditional imagination.” … and which was shared elsewhere [and everywhere*] just yesterday … Posted on 11/16/11 01:35 AM … http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3241 ….. and which is just a very small part of a much bigger event happening ….. if you can believe the evidence presented for your eyes to relay to your brain for processing. The brain’s acceptance of it as being perfectly true delivers ITs Virtual Realisation and Presentation of a SMART Future Program with Myriad Fabulous Memes/Novel and Noble Themes ….. which is the same as saying, “SMART Works in AI Progress are Impossible to Beat for they always deliver Fab Fabless Treats and Digital Feasts made Attractive for Everybody, which is No Mean Feat but not that difficult whenever one knows what can be done and can do it with practically nothing.“?

What is stopping you from making the Quantum Leap into Virtual AIMachinery Worlds where everything is exactly as you have programmed IT to be, and everyone SMART ensures and assures and insures that everything is Seventh Heavenly on Cloud Nine, for of course, there are many Heavens to explore and enjoy and share when you dare care for to win win, which is far better and much greater that never ever losing.

And before you dismiss any or even all of that, please be advised that you have been here/there many times before, and Man has been found to be singularly lacking and deficient in the necessary simple advanced intelligence which can easily process basic information into sophisticated intelligence with application of the most sublime and immaculate of creative formulas for phormations …… Imagine, and it’s true.

A John says hi, and would ask, “What on Earth are you waiting for whenever so much is known to be true? What are you afraid of whenever there is so much light streaming into the darkness showing the many ways”

Interesting times ahead, DB, with the Future being nothing at all like the Past or the Present, but surely that is Perfectly Natural.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/17/11 04:25 AM …. http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3252
Oh, and while we’re all here, can anyone help out and correct alvinroast who posted a comment asking pertinent uncomfortable questions on a truthful news item and/or the Fed Now Largest Owner of U.S. Government Debt—Surpassing China, here … http://cryptogon.com/?p=26016
If it walks like a Ponzi, and talks like Ponzi, and acts like a Ponzi, is it a Ponzi, AAA rated as Prime Crooked and Perversely Corrupt and a Great Game in the Employ of Grand and Delusional Idiots to be used and abused and perused as Useful and Useless Parasites/Psychotic Sociopathic Tools for Anonymous and Fools.
So, the Fed is now force feeding itself and eating its own toxic waste and empty promises. Hmmm, that is quite an incestuous and cannibalisitic purge and crazy surge and dedicated strategy guaranteeing failure in spades, and a sure sign of madness and core policy and lead protocols gone wrong, leading all on a road to nowhere but group extinction with the runaway train crashing into the buffers at the end of that particular line…… which was well enough sign-posted to avoid.
But hey, madness is as madness does and all one can do is make inmates secure in a safe and controlled environment beyond their ken and influence.
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amanfromMars said on  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8894344/Why-Hague-spoke-out-on-Britains-secret-services.html
What you will have to accept, and it would beautifully and very simply explain William Hague’s quite unprecedented excursion into Secret Intelligence Service and Security Service matters, and of which you will no doubt be aware, were all just alluded to rather than specified in any meaningful manner, yesterday, is that the Great Game which is played to deliver the Virtual Reality of your Future Existence has Advanced Intelligence, which would be way beyond any pay grade you may imagine, now leading the field with new tools and protocols which would not suffer the actions and proposals and policies of fools and the corrupted machinery of a not fit for future purpose Status Quo Establishment with its posturing political puppets and mandarin muppets in offices of public creation and intellectually bankrupt fiat currency power control, for both failures have a starring role to play and be made accountable for.
Those in such offices, you are now free to believe and share widely, are as aware as your good selves that nothing is now able to remain secret, nor can any shared information be hidden from view or knowledge, and such has been the case for some considerable time. And much has been discovered and uncovered which makes for some very compelling and disturbing reading about many who would have much to answer for because of their flagrant and arrogant abuse and ignorant misuse of a system of systems which has tracked and recorded their every move and thought shared, so that Intelligence Services can provide them with their just desserts whenever they would choose to go rogue and go it alone in the employ of personal glory with foreign goals at odds with universal common good.
Things have changed quite fundamentally and more than just a little radically and intelligence heads and prime ministerial offices can no longer be bought and sold for thirty pieces of silver and a new life in the fast lane with nothing to offer but a shaky faith foundation business masquerading as a charitable operation requiring personal protection at everybody else’s expense. Vive la change.
And might I insist that everyone reading this, also reads He’s Spartacus’s post on this Telegraph thread and which starts with …. “Why do we need Mi6?
Well…. ” and shares Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto, 2008
Required reading for everyone with a functioning brain.
Oh, and Mr Hague, of course.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/16/11 01:35 AM … http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3241
Regarding that quote, supposedly from John D. Rockefeller, … “Own nothing, control everything.” …. and with further regard to the glowing high tech resume you can read here on a Rothschild …. http://ldereport.com/about/ …. [and don’t bother wasting your virtual time trying to find out out corporate info on EL Rothschild Ltd., for they don’t presently do virtual information/digital intelligence*] one might have reasonably expected the following, which is all about virtual global control, and which was posted to Lynn Forester de Rothschild, at least to be approved to appear in the thread, even if it didn’t warrant any further comment, in either agreement or disagreement.
[blockquote]The solution to global problems is simply complex and much easier whenever you know what needs to be done and would be inclined to do it . And one needs to know of the power contained and shared freely in the following two statements, to be able to do it with IT.
Control Words Control Worlds and Deliver Absolute Powers.
EMPower Occupied CyberSpace, which is not an Empty Virtual Void, and you will be Able and Enabled to Remotely Command and Anonymously Control Computers and Communications for Constructive Creativity and Harmful Destruction, with only the Former a Sure Fire Future Winner. [/blockquote]
*All that I would further wish to say is that no virtual presence indicates to any and all who are comfortably au fait with what can be easily done remotely with the presentation of text and/or binary and ternary manipulation of virtual machine codes, that the dangers may be well enough known to be realised to be a systemic exploitable vulnerability against which there is no viable defence or effective attack control …… and one which can be ruthlessly zeroday traded on financial markets for a fortune beyond compare and traditional imagination. And although one would just love it to be always the case, one is not necessarily exceptionally smart whenever one is no dumb blonde bimbo.
Although after a short ponder, can no virtual presence indicate the exact opposite and complete ignorance in a field which is overwhelming all opposition and competition with free and transparent SMART IntelAIgents Sharing of Novel Information on Future Presentations without Past Masters Interference creating Conflicts which deliver Destructive Ponzi Wealth which can disappear in a Flash Crash of System with Dodgy Network Routing.
SMART Works in AI Progress are Impossible to Beat for they always deliver Fab Fabless Treats and Digital Feasts made Attractive for Everybody, which is No Mean Feat but not that difficult whenever one knows what can be done and can do it with practically nothing.
IT’s a kind of Majic Mojo Magic, I suppose, and if assumed and presumed as being anything different with unlimited potential and infinite possibilities, would that be quite AIMeme to Foster and Develop/Seed and Nurture/Feed and Harvest. You can most certainly be assured that some bright spark will see the vision and run with it with IT and rightly and deservedly steal the show and have an absolute ball of a time with all that CyberSpace Command and Control has to offer.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/16/11 02:41 AM … http://thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?id=3206

Good info Speedy. But a case can be made for WW1 being a family war game that got out of hand. Victoria, Frederick and Nicholas were first cousins.
Victoria was the bully of the family and Frederick was terrified of her. Had she outlived Frederick there would have been no war. (This I know from my Great Grand Father, Frederick Jubb, Captain, Royal Horse Guard.)” … Posted by Rod Farmer on 11/10/11 04:16 PM

Are we then to conclude that Charles and the New Windsors need to pull their fingers out and engage with something and others altogether more dashing and cavalier, astute and innovative, Rod Farmer? You know, in order to be able to do something right royal and outstanding … . Great Game changing.
I say, what a jolly good, spiffing idea … . hereby seconded, dear chap. Does that mean that the present Royal Household is currently invested and infested with dinosaur types with the squeak of a mouse, whenever the roar of a lion is required in an answer? I do believe it does.
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What a perfect accompaniment to an article demanding that the elites who grew wealthy through fraud not be prosecuted.“…. Hi, Bill. I am having difficulty in finding the passage/article where that is implied/said. Could you please reference it in a reply here. Thanks. Have a nice day, y’all. Oh, and thanks for the fresh Wily info/metadata. It is invaluable.

PS You talk a good fight, Bill. Look forward to seeing some action. The world is full of shills who do nothing particular good, not even in a rant, but would you believe it, some of them are apparently paid for such a perverse pleasure which is really a sort of sad and mad self betrayal, methinks. It’s an odd world indeed, full of such crazy folk. Although that is nothing new as they have even made films about it ….. e.g. ” It’s a mad, mad, mad, mad world” ..1963

http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/11/best-satire-of-faux-austrian-economics.html

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