Posted by amanfromMars on 04/12/12 06:21 AM …. having a chat on http://thedailybell.com/3780/Elites-Strike-Back-Via-Roosevelt-Institute-Government-Isnt-Bad-Its-Essential
“The violence against the people has been raging for decades, but it has been one sided, them killing us (… ) and you think more talking will make a difference (… ) No, people are not waking up, this is a carefully crafted elite meme. And it is working, it is keeping people from taking any action. It is akin to telling people to “write your congressman” or “work within the system”. It doesn’t work, it has never worked. Your historical ignorance is mind blowing.”
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As it happens, I subscribe to the Daily Bell’s concept of the ‘Internet Reformation’. In fact, I’ve seen a couple of dozen summers, and never have I witnessed as many people waking up as during this last decade of unprecedented, digital mass truth-telling. You may want to contemplate this specific notion while you marvel at my historical ignorance:
http://thedailybell.com/2195/Internet-Reformation.html
Anyway, I strive for freedom – the freedom to live and do as one sees fit, as long as one doesn’t harm others in the process. In order to approach this end, I decided – to the best of my ability – to deny ‘them’ what they seem to desire most: control.
You may try to ‘throw out the bums’ by advocating and/or initiating force – good luck with that one, by the way – while others may wonder why this suggestion is so much in line with what the elite seems to wish for. ….. Posted by Abu Aardvark on 04/11/12 06:59 PM
Err, regarding …. “Anyway, I strive for freedom – the freedom to live and do as one sees fit, as long as one doesn’t harm others in the process. In order to approach this end, I decided – to the best of my ability – to deny ‘them’ what they seem to desire most: control.” …. which is most admirable but as it is nothing at all effective which can be realised without superior man power, Abu Aardvark, you might like to realistically revise and reconsider what THEY would definitely fear the most, and which would wrest control permanently from them ……. and that is destructive physical personal harm. Anything else would be welcomed by them for it is easily countered and defeated, but cut off the heads of mortal snakes and they die to never rise again.
And it does so encourage any others, except those who would be worthy of such a final solution, and who would be thinking* to imitate the folly which resulted in the drastic action, to move on into safer fields of power and control.
*If the honest truth be told there, would that be a case of not thinking, should imitation be the lusty fools’ goal.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 04/12/12 09:03 AM …. on http://thedailybell.com/3780/Elites-Strike-Back-Via-Roosevelt-Institute-Government-Isnt-Bad-Its-Essential
“Abu Aardvark, you might like to realistically revise and reconsider what THEY would definitely fear the most, and which would wrest control permanently from them … … . and that is destructive physical personal harm. Anything else would be welcomed by them for it is easily countered and defeated, but cut off the heads of mortal snakes and they die to never rise again.”
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In the long run we’re all dead, Sir. In my view, fear of death seems to be the main impetus behind many ills. The ‘need’ to compensate this fear with a strive for control (over others?) might be one, the manipulation of this fear as a tool to rule others might be another one.
You too may try to ‘throw out the bums’ by advocating and/or initiating force, of course, but I would ask you about the same points as I did with feedbacker ‘spiritsplice’:
Please elaborate on a more detailed scenario as to how, exactly, you would try to remove the contemporary elite with means of force – I mean, who is making the death-lists? Based on what criteria? Established by whom? Would you kill ‘only’ the ‘top-elite’? Enablers? Which ones? Politicians? Military leaders? Religious leaders, Corporation executives? Where do you stop? Who would be doing the killing? How?
And after the big extinction … WHAT?
How would you try to remove the enforcers of your suggested violent overthrow from THEIR rule of force in the aftermath?
Gee, how about not voting as one alternative? Deny them their simulated legitimacy, as but one example.
Don’t buy their stuff, don’t use their ‘money’. Disconnect from the grid, opt out, free your mind … …. Posted by Abu Aardvark on 04/12/12 07:56 AM
Passive resistance does have its place and space, AA, but is seen as by some as being for pussies and never ever an effective agent of necessary rapid change.
And is … . “How would you try to remove the enforcers of your suggested violent overthrow from THEIR rule of force in the aftermath?
Gee, how about not voting as one alternative? Deny them their simulated legitimacy, as but one example.
Don’t buy their stuff, don’t use their ‘money’. Disconnect from the grid, opt out, free your mind … ” just so much prevarication and a terrible excuse for doing nothing and/or not knowing what to do in such situations which are mirrored quite nicely in this tale which the mainstream media are not telling … … .. http://rt.com/news/libya-all-about-oil-818/
In the end, what you give is what you get … . and that doesn’t bode well for many, but they do surely deserve their just desserts all the same. It is only natural and fair, is it not.
Oh, and please note that there is no one here advocating violence as a solution to any problem, but it is as well to mention that it is always an effective ready option which presents new possibilities and difficulties which are easier to overcome, because of the crooked nature of the delivery by parading leading lights which media identifies as being instrumental in ordering conflict and mayhem in whatever cynical spinning disguise it might be dressed up in.
Ignorant foot soldiers just carrying out orders are not responsible and accountable. That burden is for others to try and avoid paying the proper price for, … .. lifelong.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 04/12/12 12:22 PM ….. having a barney on http://thedailybell.com/3780/Elites-Strike-Back-Via-Roosevelt-Institute-Government-Isnt-Bad-Its-Essential
“just so much prevarication and a terrible excuse for doing nothing”
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To suggest that not cooperating with their enforcers and minions, not voting, disconnecting from their grids, getting more self-reliant, rejecting their ‘money’, their ‘news-media’, their education system, their fear- and warmongering – in short: leaving the ‘matrix’ behind as much as possible – amounts to ‘prevarication and a terrible excuse for doing nothing’ seems strange to me, to say the least.
They got tens of thousands of nuclear warheads, biological and chemical weapons (which they may be immune to), drones, weather weapons, vast underground facilities …
… and whatnot. You know all this. And yet you suggest ‘we’ might consider marching off to inflict ‘destructive physical personal harm’ to them?
To whom, exactly? At what price? To what end?
Oh, and please note that there ARE feedbackers here advocating violence as a solution to any problem.
Hint … YOU did:
“you might like to realistically revise and reconsider what THEY would definitely fear the most, and which would wrest control permanently from them … … . and that is destructive physical personal harm. Anything else would be welcomed by them for it is easily countered and defeated, but cut off the heads of mortal snakes and they die to never rise again” ….. Posted by Abu Aardvark on 04/12/12 10:15 AM
I say yes and you say no gets us nowhere fast, AA. Time to move on and agree to disagree if we have different perspectives.
However, the following from yourself is incorrect and misleading …. “Oh, and please note that there ARE feedbackers here advocating violence as a solution to any problem.
Hint … YOU did:
“you might like to realistically revise and reconsider what THEY would definitely fear the most, and which would wrest control permanently from them … … . and that is destructive physical personal harm. Anything else would be welcomed by them for it is easily countered and defeated, but cut off the heads of mortal snakes and they die to never rise again”” ……. for did I not make a very specific point in saying that violence is not a solution to anything ……. “it is always an effective ready option which presents new possibilities and difficulties which are easier to overcome,…” which is no solution to anything. For solutions one must get right to the root/heart of any problem.
And in Great Game play is problem solving made a tad more difficult than it could be, because invariably, for understandable reasons of personal security, do Bosses of Bosses like to remain relatively anonymous and virtually unknown, and thus does the System provide Active Global Memes and Media Moguls with Puppets for the World’s Stages and Sub-Prime Political/Politically Incorrect Soap Operas, and those actors are just doing as they are told so they are not really worth engaging with, for they are no vital source of Original Power and Control?
I’m glad we got that aired and sorted, AA. Thanks.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 04/12/12 01:39 PM …. on http://thedailybell.com/3780/Elites-Strike-Back-Via-Roosevelt-Institute-Government-Isnt-Bad-Its-Essential
‘I’m glad we got that aired and sorted, AA. Thanks.’
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Yeah, thank you too.
By the way, I don’t know how things are going on Mars these days, but just in case you’re on planet Earth over the weekend when, all of a sudden, TSHTF:
‘Map Of The Dead: How To Survive The Zombie Apocalypse’
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/map-dead-how-survive-zombie-apocalypse ….. Posted by Abu Aardvark on 04/12/12 12:46 PM
Zero Hedge comes up trumps again, AA …… http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-should-corrupt-bankers-face-death-penalty
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